ChapniK Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 If i take 3 wolf guard and split them to be pack leader, i can still buy a land raider right? I know, the question is kinda dumb, but my army list really depends on this. So i just really want to be sure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181304-is-this-legal/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locmac Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Yes, but nothing can be deployed in it then Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181304-is-this-legal/#findComment-2146401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crayoneater Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Which... is ok to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181304-is-this-legal/#findComment-2146405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvtalon Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 If i take 3 wolf guard and split them to be pack leader, i can still buy a land raider right? I know, the question is kinda dumb, but my army list really depends on this. So i just really want to be sure. Yes you can do that easily... But the landraider cannot have troops in it at the start of the game.. But since the landraider is a dedicated transport it then can at the start of your first turn on your movement phase may take another squad and transport them. Although its a great way to get a anti-tank or Assult tank with out using it as a heavy support slot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181304-is-this-legal/#findComment-2146420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChapniK Posted October 11, 2009 Author Share Posted October 11, 2009 Great, thanks for the rapid answer. My list is save, you can see it in the army list section Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181304-is-this-legal/#findComment-2146428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temprus Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Yes, but nothing can be deployed in it thenExcept ICs that "count as Infantry". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181304-is-this-legal/#findComment-2146434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Yes, but nothing can be deployed in it thenExcept ICs that "count as Infantry". I would argue that, since, if all existing Wolf Guard in a pack have been assigned to other packs, the squad doesn't quite exist for the Independent Character to join is there? DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181304-is-this-legal/#findComment-2146472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LPetersson Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Yes, but nothing can be deployed in it thenExcept ICs that "count as Infantry". I would argue that, since, if all existing Wolf Guard in a pack have been assigned to other packs, the squad doesn't quite exist for the Independent Character to join is there? DV8 This. Although I would argue that since the Land Raider was bought for the Wolf Guard unit, any unit that is joined by a WG can start in the LR that was bought for the WG pack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181304-is-this-legal/#findComment-2147496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Yes, but nothing can be deployed in it thenExcept ICs that "count as Infantry". I would argue that, since, if all existing Wolf Guard in a pack have been assigned to other packs, the squad doesn't quite exist for the Independent Character to join is there? DV8 This. Although I would argue that since the Land Raider was bought for the Wolf Guard unit, any unit that is joined by a WG can start in the LR that was bought for the WG pack. I would argue this too. Wolf Guard Pack Leaders are assigned to other packs. So the way it works is it's still a Grey Hunter Pack +1 Wolf Guard Pack Leader. Only units that at dedicated transport was purchased for may deploy in it. That would be the Wolf Guard Pack. Not Grey Hunters + Pack Leader (or any other squad with a Pack Leader). DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181304-is-this-legal/#findComment-2147547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaScotius Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Yes, but nothing can be deployed in it thenExcept ICs that "count as Infantry". I would argue that, since, if all existing Wolf Guard in a pack have been assigned to other packs, the squad doesn't quite exist for the Independent Character to join is there? DV8 This. Although I would argue that since the Land Raider was bought for the Wolf Guard unit, any unit that is joined by a WG can start in the LR that was bought for the WG pack. I would argue this too. Wolf Guard Pack Leaders are assigned to other packs. So the way it works is it's still a Grey Hunter Pack +1 Wolf Guard Pack Leader. Only units that at dedicated transport was purchased for may deploy in it. That would be the Wolf Guard Pack. Not Grey Hunters + Pack Leader (or any other squad with a Pack Leader). DV8 I would second DV8 on this, the way I read it is that the Land Raider is bought for the Wolf Guard pack, this is the only unit that is allowed to be deployed in the Land Raider at the start of the game. By attaching all your Wolf Guard to other packs, you have effectively destroyed the Wolf Guard pack itself. As the Wolf Guard are the only unit that would be allowed to start in the Land Raider at the start of the game, no unit may begin the game in the Land Raider, as there is no Wolf Guard pack to do so. Arguing that a Wolf Guard attached to a pack of Grey Hunters allows them to start the game in the Land Raider is preposterous, they are still a pack of Grey Hunters with an attached Wolf Guard - Page 67 of the Rulebook states that "The only limitation of a dedicated transport is that when it is deployed it can only carry the unit is was selected with (plus any independent characters)". Although the Wolf Guard would qualify to be allows to start in the Land Raider if he were on his own, the presence of the Grey Hunters would prevent him from doing so - They are not the unit the transport was selected with. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181304-is-this-legal/#findComment-2147552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temprus Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Yes, but nothing can be deployed in it thenExcept ICs that "count as Infantry". I would argue that, since, if all existing Wolf Guard in a pack have been assigned to other packs, the squad doesn't quite exist for the Independent Character to join is there? DV8 Does not say they have to be joined, it just says "plus any" ICs, who are able to be in the transport by themselves per the earlier mention in the second paragraph of Transport Capacity (and/or). "Plus" is vague enough to be argued both as "squad with ICs" or as "squad and/or ICs", and both sides of the argument would be RAW because of the vagueness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181304-is-this-legal/#findComment-2147660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfside Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 so can you start units in a land raider at the beginning of a game if you choose it as a heavy support choice? my 10 cents on whether or not you can put the wg into the lr when they are below minimum unit strength would be a yes you buy the unit [say 3 models] you assign them dedicated transport [in your army list, before the battle] you then split them up [2 ride, 1 goes with another squad] Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181304-is-this-legal/#findComment-2147669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 hes talking about splitting the WHOLE unit. not just one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181304-is-this-legal/#findComment-2147672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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