rat of vengence Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Hey all, I have had a bit of a speedbump in my games lately, I basically got monstered by a mob of Nobs on bikes, with a Warboss and Painboy, including two powerclaws. I think there were 8 or 10 all up, and they came up as less than 300 points(?!?) less the Warboss. Firstly, was this dodgy list writing, or are they really that cheap, especially as a scoring unit? Secondly, how best do I kill them? My all-comers list is this: Librarian jump pack, Might of the Ancients, Ap3 template thingy (Codex is buried, painting rooms tonight :() Tac 1 10 marines, multimelta, melta, rhino Tac 2 10 marines, Plasma C, flamer, Serg with PF, Razorback Landspeeder storm Heavy flamer Scouts 5 scouts ccw/bp, sergeant with powerfist Assault squad 6 marines sergeant with powerfist Vindicator I am having no trouble at all with hordes with this army (love the HF on the LSS :) ), but the fast, tough, FnP bikers had me flummoxed. Should I consider replacing the Vindi with a dakka pred and using the spare 30 points for some combiweapons, or another powerfist? You thoughts please brothers. :) RoV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood brother Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Well since I play Orks let me first say that Nob bikers can be extremely cheesy when min maxed. Which is why I never do that. The key to killing a unit like this is to force him to take Str 8 or up wounds. They don't get feel no pain against a melta weapon or vindicator cannon. And power fists/ weapons as well. All Nobs have 2 wounds so hitting them with these will ignore their save and cause instant death (not the power weapon of course) If you can land a Vindicator shot on 4-5 of them that would really be bad news for him. They do always get a cover save but at 4+ that still means 50% will be instant killed, including the warboss from Str10. The key to Nobs is to use high strength shots and watch them die just like any other Ork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyescrossed Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Wow. He cheated. They're 45 points each without any upgrades at all when they're on bikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rat of vengence Posted October 11, 2009 Author Share Posted October 11, 2009 Wow. He cheated. They're 45 points each without any upgrades at all when they're on bikes. That's my gut feeling, but he said that the 25 points puts them ALL on bikes, not each. Are you sure? I didn't want to call him on it because it was a social game at the local GW, and I'd rather have a game than make an issue. However, I am not easily done over twice :) RoV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Elemental Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Nope, it's 45pts per Nob Biker. He was cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rat of vengence Posted October 11, 2009 Author Share Posted October 11, 2009 Thanks fellas, on the points cost and tactics. It sounds like I need to sort out his list for him :rolleyes: and keep the vindi for next time I face his rather smaller orc nob bike squad. Cheers. RoV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood brother Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 The upgrade says +25 points per model for a bike upgrade... it doesn't even make sense to do it any other way cause then 3 or 10 would cost the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Chaos_Brute Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Vindicator'll poof them. The unit if 8 w/ 2 PK, Waaagh Banner (WS 5, they should have it), Painboy (they should have cybork, too), and Boss (PK, Cybork) is: 625 points. At 10: 725 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giga Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 The best way to get rid of nob bikers is shoot them a lot with str8 or higher weaponry (vindicator is good here), and then assault them with th/ss termies. TH/SS termies are sort of a hard counter for nob bikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gornall Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 TH/SS termies are sort of a hard counter for most problems Marines have. Fixed that for ya. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rat of vengence Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 Vindicator'll poof them. The unit if 8 w/ 2 PK, Waaagh Banner (WS 5, they should have it), Painboy (they should have cybork, too), and Boss (PK, Cybork) is: 625 points. At 10: 725 points. Yeah, he had that banner too. A good trick working them out to be less than 300 points (less boss)... :jaw: This will be sorted out :devil: RoV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Chaos_Brute Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Vindicator'll poof them. The unit if 8 w/ 2 PK, Waaagh Banner (WS 5, they should have it), Painboy (they should have cybork, too), and Boss (PK, Cybork) is: 625 points. At 10: 725 points. Yeah, he had that banner too. A good trick working them out to be less than 300 points (less boss)... :P This will be sorted out ;) RoV Excellent Brother-on this we can agree! Slay the filthy xenos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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