new codex bad players

[Forseti]

actually GW did in fact made SW more important role at least in their online store , we are the only SM army that has a separate section than other chapters XD

 

as for the new bandwagoners , let them come. Ive like to see new tryouts for ones who think they can fool the old wolves in the chapter and get away with it. They will either be shamed by other wolves or worst , their enemies because they are not real wolves to speak. They will eventually die out if they are not truthful to the ways of Fenris and yet try to stay on the same path.

 

Besides , its always a good thing to have a similar army to practice on , it helps you learn your army much more. XD cheers wolf brothers and chill till the wolf time comes.

 

I remember someone saying they did the same thing for DA and BT when they each got their Codex, after a few months it went back to the way it was. It's all about them trying to push their new product. So we'll go back soon or when new BAs are released.

[Wolfrave]

I deal with many players in my local community as i run the "Gamer" side of a Hobby store, so i see many leaders of many great army's, and I myself am a relatively new player who chose that my command would be among the Wolf Brothers, i have not been playing to long myself almost a year and some what and i have amassed myself a rather large gathering of wolves to roar into battle, and with the new codex and the new models the biggest thing i have seen is that the Old wolves are stirring once again. I have seen at least three dozen of players come and go from my tables and battlefields, and i am happy to say i was the lone wolf of the groups, but i rejoice once more now that the Codex has brought about the old wolves in my area from slumber.

 

Though most are grumpy about change, and slow to move, they will bring their armys to field, and i look forward to join them in battle.

 

 

 

All that aside i suppose im just happy that the codex brought about some attention to the store to my army, and that though i see no new people wanting to jump into them, i do see the old ones show back up to poke into it once again.

[Simo429]

many people seem new but have wanted to collect space wolves for a while

 

I first went to start a SW army a year ago but was advised in my local store not to bother

[Lord Howland Greywolf]

At my LGS, there is only one new wolf player. An ex-DA no less. Well to tell the truth when he started it was a toss up between DA and wolves and he chose DA. He has seen the error of his ways.

 

(And there was that one apoc game where we swapped the units in our transports around so where they were expecting wolves they got DA abd vice vercer.)

[Brother Ariman]

Truthfully the reason why I switched to SW is because they were much closer to how I played my blood ravens back in 4th edition with counter attack and a greater influence of infantry.

[Ronin_eX]

Never begrudge new players interested in your army simply because it is new and shiny. We were all new players once and we were all pulled in by new shininess at some point. New players are the lifeblood of the game. So don't be so quick to see bandwagon jumpers around every corner. Some people like collecting new armies, some people were waiting for the release and now that it is here they can build the army they wanted all along and some will be testing out the rules to see if they like them more for their DIY project.

 

Feeling hurt because you think you should be 'the Space Wolf player' is, understandable, but also understandably silly and a little on the self-entitled side of things. Should players have to have a better reason than "ooh shiny" before they can so much as touch your codex? Should current players screen newbies to make sure they are powergamers or people with multiple armies to keep the sanctity of their imagined clique pure? I think the attitude is more than a little silly myself and that you should be happy that GW released a product that seems to be well liked by players. I just can't get the train of thought that your new found popularity after so long is unwanted.

 

In a lot of ways it seems to stem from people with the army currently not wanting to be lumped in with new players because "we played this army before it was cool" and so in an effort to distance themselves from the 'bandwagoners' they due what any geek will do when faced with a similar situation will do whether they are music-geeks or gaming-geeks, they make sure to set up an us vs. them scenario and proceed to complain about the other guys. As a previous poster said it is a lot like what happens to music-geeks whose favourite band has gone mainstream. Instead of feeling good that a band they like is doing well they complain about how they sold out and all the new fans don't appreciate them in the same way because they weren't there from the start. I recommend taking a step back and realizing that what is happening is a good thing and you painstakingly created army will not melt just because other people are playing it in your area.

 

(And a note just in case anyone is sensitive to the term, I use geek here in an endearing fashion as only a man who realizes he is 25, married and still plays with toy soldiers can. :))

[maznaz]

Never begrudge new players interested in your army simply because it is new and shiny. <snip>

 

That was a fantastic post. Well done.

 

Marek

[rodgers37]

I have changed to Space Wolves, because i Like Marines, i tried Tau and Eldar, after getting board/worse with Chaos, and then i read through the Space Wolves codex, looked at some of the models, and just decided i would do them.....

I hadn't played any games other than Space Hulk in the weeks leading up to Space Wolves, as the few games before i stopped playing Chaos, i just wasn't having any fun, and even when i won, it wasn't very good, ect.

i have played 2 games with the actual Space Wolves models, and 3 games proxying Chaos models as Space Wolves :ermm: and have won 3, drew 1 (because i forgot about the re-groping automatically, so kept running, with fire warrios shooting at me....but should have re-grouped and killed them, and got to the point....) and i lost one to Deamons (because i didn't have enough shooting, and its not best to try and out-combat a very good combat army.....)

[Race Bannon]

Well, let's also keep this in perspective, there are some pretty chinsey old-timers too. Like the 2nd edition veteran at my LGS who built this:

 

Wolf Lord with:

Runic Armor

Thunderwolf Mount

Thunder Hammer

Storm Shield

Wolftooth Necklace

Saga of the Bear

 

Why? Because Canis costs too much for what he can do. *shrug*

 

It's true, new players do gleem to the shiney toys, plays with them, and either moves on or stays. But it's also true that old players look at what was done, then at what they can do, and have just as much fun.

[Narsil the Death Dealer]

I remember when all the new editions came out and it's always like this with "new" armies. When imperial guard came out with a new 3rd edition dex it seemed like everyone wanted to play guard. Same went for the Which Hunters and Daemon Hunters when they got theirs in 4th edition. Don't worry, in a few months the new wolf players will either like playing with the new space wolves or hate them. Then they'll find out there are 15 or so other armies they can have that they might like better. It's all about getting new blood into the hobby man. Besides after all the new players get out of space wolves we can reap the benefits by buying up their minis for cheap :rolleyes:

 

 

 

For the Emperor!! For Russ!!!

[Gorn]

i agree with you, that i am being a bit grumpy. its the really anoying newbies that give our army a bad name IMO and just collect wolves because they think their being cool. i think that soon i my local store wolves will become the new smurfs!!

 

yeah hopfully the new nids will draw some of the new wolf players away

[Thrain]

I have felt bad for seeming to jump on the bandwagon. In my defense I was recently getting back into the hobby. I had some IG laying around but was just not being inspired by them. So I thought you know what would be fun, Space Wolves. So I went to order a codex and some minis just to find out that the codex and minis wouldn't be available for a week! Yeah I hadn't been paying close attention.

 

If it makes my fellow Wolf Lords feel any better Space Wolves were my army before 2nd ed. 40k came out so I'm not entirely a Johnny come lately.

[Bonham1963]

I like anything that brings players or keeps people into the game. If people aren't interested, then GW is done and we have no hobby or game.

[Gorn]

@ Thrain

im sorry if i affended you i am merly basing this argument on what has happend at my store and mean no offence to you.

[dublindawg]

At 38yrs old, I am no pup by any means when it comes to the avg age of the players in 40k. But for the better part of 15yrs I have solely been on the collecting side of hobby and painting random models based only on liking the model. Over the years I have tried to build an army around what I had in my collection. At first it was IG as I had picked up the box set for LE IG army that looked like an old british regiment from Africa. The models looked great, tons of infantry and I picked Orges and rattlings and the codex. After a bunch of reading I didn't like the fact that they were mainly a sit back and shoot and had to rely on mass amounts of tanks to be effective. I then looked at some of the other armies out theer and found Space Marines were more of my flavor and slowly bought models, unable to decide what chapter to go with. I like the Space Wolves, but there was no way I could paint with all the details involved, so I opted for DA since it was easy for me to do green shades.

 

When the Tau first came out I was like wow, shiny and new and I could build a new force from stratch. After getting the codex and a few boxes of models, I realised they were a lot like IG in terms of a sit back and shoot and I did not like the kroot at all.

 

So I decided to go back to my DA force, but couldn't talk any friends into playing so I just painted and let my models collect dust. Then I moved to NC in 2006 and hooked up with some guys that were in gaming and 40k. It was just my luck that 2 years earlier DA came out with yet another codex but were just releasing new models. Again once I read the new codex, the army was not for me. I didn't like the force restrictions and the fact that taking an IC was looking like the only way to go with building a force.

 

So by now I had tried 3 armies and wasn't too happy and the wife gave me looks when she saw the storage containers of unfinished models taking up a ton of space. I looked at the SW again, but saw that the codex was pretty old and not up to the 4th Ed rules [i'm still coming across old core rulebooks from years past in boxes] so I opted for a DIY force. I was somewhat happy but I still didn't like the focus of the IC being the best way to make a power force.

 

Finally this summer I caught wind that Space Wolves were getting a new codex and models. My painting skills and conversion skills had developed enough for me to tackle detail of space wolves. When I finally got the codex in the mail on 10/3 I looked at how customizable the entire force was and the fact that you could build your own WL to just as good as the IC's provided.

 

I am truely in love with the feel and fluff of the Space Wolves and have been reading everything I can get my hands on about the Chapter. I have no intention of jumping to the 'nids when they come out 2010 and look forward to any future release of SW models [mainly TWC].

 

I don't feel myself a bandwagonner but others might. Finally if you feel that you need to grumble and rant that you feel people are only playing SW because they are new and feel they are invading your space, maybe it's time for you to step back from the table and take a real look around.

[Gorn]

@ dublindawg

 

i hope that wasnt all aimed at me. i was just sharing my opinion on new players repainting their smurfs and so on, just to be 'cool' because the wolves came out. i dont feel that they are invading my space i just feel that they have taken away one of the things i liked about wolves when i started about 6years ago. again all of this is based on what is happing at my local store it might be totaly diffrent where you are.

[dublindawg]

No Gorn, it wasn't all aimed at you. In general it was aimed those who view us newer wolves as a "redheaded step child". I'm sure it will vary from store to store, at the store I go by, it looks like only the younger players are buying up the Space Wolves, where the older players are sticking to their collection and adjusting for ways to show the new dex can be beaten. It's got to be nice to have parents with disposable income to buy whatever their kids want.

[Thrain]

@ Thrain

im sorry if i affended you i am merly basing this argument on what has happend at my store and mean no offence to you.

 

Nope, no offense at all. I totally understand the feeling of being the underdog for a long time then all of a sudden everyone jumping on the bandwagon.

 

I normally try to avoid the band wagon it just kind of worked out really funny for me this time around. I really went back to the SWs for nostalgia reasons. I also love the fluff. The relative power of the army is meaningless to me. My main opponents are gonna be my kids and wife so it's always a friendly game.

[Gorn]

sorry for the confusion, and yeah i wish my perents where that nice when i was younger :D

[clanfield]

this new codex has been a big mixed bag it seems ,i remember in 89 when the space marine paint set came out gw retconned the sargent and officer markings man i was mad it took me weeks to refit that one ,

and oh as a pup i was sad for me mate who lost 3 companys o dark angels when the colors changed from black to green,then i lost my army when the new wolves came out hello ragnar bye lord lucan then the cheese years of 2nd eddition man i didnt get many games back then,3rd brought a long wait for a dex nothing compared to this last 10 years though.

and here we are new dex brilliiant new figures ,and one hell of a journey to get here from the heady days of fighting orks in the wheel of fire and other rt era monsters through the days of castle sieges and fighting through space hulks to the mass fast paced fields of armagedon and the eternal war around the eye of terror

i remember when i was a pup and that grey armour sold me it was a dark november night and they glinted in the lamp light 'the years of victory and the humiliation of defeat too these wonderous times (stops to sup ale)

so brothers one and all the wolf time is almost upon us and we shall need everyone of you old and young ,skilled and eager for blood and scalps

we are the sons of russ and our enermys fear us i hope our greatest challange is to find a foe worthy of a song or two and a scar to remember them by

 

for russ and the allfather

[dublindawg]

After Clanfields statement I am looking at the bottle of coke on my desk wishing it was a pint of ale.

[Grey Mage]

many people seem new but have wanted to collect space wolves for a while

 

I first went to start a SW army a year ago but was advised in my local store not to bother

That, that pisses me off a little.