Drichar Deis Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 How would a CSM army based on corrupt/renegade Ultra Marines sit with the current fluff? Ie: either modern day marines who have turned or heresy era marines lost since the heresy? Feel free to blow me out the water :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaultyVoodoo Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 It's always possible. Look at the short story, Renegades, where an individual company from an UM successor goes renegade. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2147330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allerka Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Go for it. It's totally plausible, essentially every Chapter in the Astartes, baring a couple exceptions, has produced Renegades in one form or another, ranging from a handful of breakaways to entire Companies or Chapters turning. My Khorne Berserkers aren't World Eaters at all, but Renegades from various Chapters, including a Black Templar, an Ultramarine, and a Dark Angel. I get so many dirty looks from people for that. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2147347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Chaos_Brute Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 My possessed were (still are, but are gathering dust) painted in a variety of Marine chapter colors. The last one to die would always be the one in my opponent's color for some reason... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2147365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 By the codex fluff, no Ultramarine has ever/will ever turn to chaos, end of story. By Black Library's fluff, there's a story of a single Ultramarine that tried to oppose Chaos, but wasn't strong enough and a daemon forced its way in. A SoB seraphim had to kill him but failed. They later met again and he was now a daemon prince or somesuch, and she was able to get him that time. GW says no, BL says yes (but extremely rare). Pick your poison! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2147389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Chaos_Brute Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 By codex fluff, the Ultramarines are over the top in badassery, so far as to seem ridiculous. p12, Codex: Marines They spend a whole page that boils down to "Rowboat Gullyman was teh bestest primarch evar! Hurr!" p40 Ultramarines fight an enire war in three weeks. Calgar defeats "several hundred" CSM by "rallying the local population". Calgar tears an "upstart" DP limb from limb. 36 scouts and Telion defeat an entire planet in a day. p84 Calgar holds a gate for "a night and a day" against an Ork army. p86 "Tigurius is...the most powerful psyker in the Imperium." Hell, Codex: Nids is basically Codex: Kryptman and Ultramarines Kicking the Snot Out of Anything That Looks At Them Funny. GW's stance on Ultramarines is way too extreme to be believable. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2147478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allerka Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 By the codex fluff, no Ultramarine has ever/will ever turn to chaos, end of story. And which codex would that be? :D p86"Tigurius is...the most powerful psyker in the Imperium." They say that, but the rules far from reflect it. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2147488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyson_Vore Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 The only chapter where they clearly state that no member has ever fallen to Chaos is the Grey Knights, so I say Renegade Ultramarines are very possible. By Fluff, unlikely, but possible. I think it would be a kick butt looking army though. They proudly wear they loyalist colors just to bring shame to the Sons of Gulliman. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2147497 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nurgle71 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Ultramarine renegade are highly plausible. I mean, the Ultramarine is one of the largest Chapters with dozen of Succesor Chapters. We know that some of them turned Renegade, it won;t be impossible for the original Chapter to have one or two wayward Marines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2147752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 the leader of hurons khorns sub sect is a huge ex ultramarine sgt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2147861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Thane Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I don't see why a UM couldn't have turned. Much time has passed since the Horus Heresy. Plenty of time for quite a few to have ended up corrupted, lost in the Warp etc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2147908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 How would a CSM army based on corrupt/renegade Ultra Marines sit with the current fluff? A lone Marine. Possible. A squad. Hm, difficult. A whole "army". I am pretty certain that would have been something that would have been mentioned in the fluff, so no. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2148001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudge Dreadnought Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 How would a CSM army based on corrupt/renegade Ultra Marines sit with the current fluff? A lone Marine. Possible. A squad. Hm, difficult. A whole "army". I am pretty certain that would have been something that would have been mentioned in the fluff, so no. To be fair, the only renegade chapter that is talked about in the fluff is... the Red Corsairs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2148028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legatus Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 A whole company of Ultramarines turning traitor would have to be mentioned in the Ultramarine fluff. That is quite an incident for a Chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2148045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Thane Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Could be ex UM's who defected from over a long period. Also it might be a small warband of UM's. Or just try mixing squads of several Chapters. Some UM's, some BA, some Wolfies, some lesser known Chapters,... Chaosify them and 'voilà'! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2148056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperialis_Dominatus Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 By the codex fluff, no Ultramarine has ever/will ever turn to chaos, end of story... GW says no Where? Grey Knights are the only Chapter that can claim that in any fluff I have ever read. And I've read nearly all of it in one form or another. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2148059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 GW is not willing to allow the Smurfs to be corrupted by a companies length. However, squads worth mixed with other Chaos renegades is plausable. We've mentioned a few times the only Chapter with any real claim to never falling is the Grey Knights, and that's confirmed in the cannon. Everyone else is fair game, no matter how much the loyalists bawww. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2148199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PH WE Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 In the Heroes of the Space Marines short stories the one with the Red Cosairs say that there was an ultramarine with a red cross through the chapter symbol as well as Raven Guard, Space Wolf and Black Templar (And a Crimson Fist i think) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2148407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drichar Deis Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 I apolagise in advance for the quality of the pics, but my camera phone is less than adequate for the job. The Renegades so far: http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u94/sidrioswin/027.jpg http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u94/sidrioswin/029.jpg http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u94/sidrioswin/028.jpg http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u94/sidrioswin/030.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2148600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allerka Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Nice start! Though I would probably scale back the purity seals, there's a reason you never see any on any Renegades. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2148704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Thane Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Nice start! Though I would probably scale back the purity seals, there's a reason you never see any on any Renegades. :) Hmm well he could 'defile' them. It would underline the idea he has that they display Imperial symbols with the intention of further dishonoring their former brethren. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2148754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drichar Deis Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 Nice start! Though I would probably scale back the purity seals, there's a reason you never see any on any Renegades. :) Hmm well he could 'defile' them. It would underline the idea he has that they display Imperial symbols with the intention of further dishonoring their former brethren. BINGO! Just found some reinforcments, flicking through threads found out about stripping plastic, I've got some badly painted Dark Angels boxed away (about 50). They are defectors from Ultramarines and their succesor chaptors, using ultra scheme to sow discord in the imperium with their raids, or something like that :P! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2148769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Thane Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Hmmm perhaps. I can see them pretending to be UM's at times fluffwise. In battle they'd wear desecrated banners, markings, eagles etc. A slightly darker blue for their basecolor. The 2ndary color is actually varying as they come from varying companies. Add in some CSM bits here and there too. Stay a bit limited Daemon-wise. I'd say they stuck somewhat to the Guilliman doctrines and all that, being rather organised still. Spite, cynicism, bitterness and ambition driving them. Perhaps they even see themselves as the 'true' Ultramarines/ Sons of Guilliman? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2148796 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Stay a bit limited Daemon-wise. I'd say they stuck somewhat to the Guilliman doctrines and all that, being rather organised still.Spite, cynicism, bitterness and ambition driving them. Perhaps they even see themselves as the 'true' Ultramarines/ Sons of Guilliman? This would make the most sense. Those look like dirty sneaky Alpha Legion to me anyway ;). As Legatus said, a lone marine is possible. It's been mentioned in fluff, and only ever a single marine (as far as I know). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2149121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
satanaka Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I do seem to remember seeing some fluff somewhere in one of the codexes that was about a heretical Smurf captain, though I'll be damned if I can remember which codex it was. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181387-renegade-ultramarines/#findComment-2149383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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