White Hunter Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Okay with the 5th edition damage table, and the proliferation of AV14 and AV13 we all know that vehicles are exponentially harder to kill. So in looking at my Long fang pack, I started wondering at the what I should equip them with. I am stuck between the lascannons and Missile launchers. is it worth it to put some Lascannons in the pack for that small chance to penetrate AV14 from a distance, or is it better to stick with an all Missile launcher squad and give up the chance to penetrate AV14 from range? Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotspur Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Best to give them a mix. Try kitting them out w/ 2LC and 2ML; I've found this setup works out pretty well against most armor, especially if you can keep the ol' chaps in some solid cover. Long Fangs, when used correctly, can be just as deadly as any tank. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbaron997 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I think Lascannons are very useful. It is one of the few long range ap2 weapons, and has a chance to pop even the toughest vehicles in one shot. I think I would roll with 3 LCs and 2 Plasma Cannons myself, but I prefer tanks as I will play Egil's Iron Wolves. Still in older lists I always try to find the points for a Lascannon Predator to stick in cover. It has performed very well for me espically with all the mech out there nowdays. With 3 lascannons I stand a decent chance of knocking out a tank a turn. Or shave a couple wounds off a Daemon Prince or Wraithlord. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 How many lascannons do you guys normally pack in an army? What are the best tactics for them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I usually run five long fangs- 2x ML and 2xLC. Its incredibply adaptable, and just got a 100pt discount on its price with the new codex *yay!*. MLs are decent against tank- and if these guys are popping transports *ie AV 12 and below* Ill probly put on ML on Krak and a lascannon at each target. If its against tougher opponents the Lascannons will double up, while the missile launchers will hit a squishier target OR fire at an infantry squad *frag or krak, as appropriate*. Sure, lascannons cost 15pts more, but its worth it to be able to penetrate AV 14 from accross he board. Support this with GH special weapons at close range, and perhaps some speeders, dreads, or tanks and you should be ok. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 for what i have been running only two, and i try to place them in cover where they will have command of the field. i also deploy my lighter AT weapons on the flanks to funnel them into them, or at least slow them down. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 What are lascannons best use? Popping transports, targeting MCs, or trying to pop a AV14 targets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I go with 4 ML, I like to keep my LC twin linked and a LR. I would rather my LR be a priority range target over the LF. The LF will focus on transports and infantry allowing my LR w/MM to play the AT role. In my list is I run 2 Vindis and its important that they have nicely grouped troops to keep hitting, so the LF are important to me for this role. If your list needs the ranged AT, take LC otherwise run them thusly. Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 IMO Marines of all flavours go well against infantry and it is the armour (tanks and Sv2+) they will struggle against. If you take a Missile launcher or Autocannon (for example) they kill men and light armour - but marines already kill men and so are 'taking bread off their table' - so to speak. But those two don't kill armour that well. :no: Go all out and get Lascannons that will better damage Armour and Meganobz/Broadsides etc. Remember after you run out of tanks to kill you'll still get a good return by targetting Mega nobz, Broadsides, Crisis suits, Death Company, Terminators and other super-infantry. :D I run a tri-las Pred. Points wise it is 180 in SW Codex. 5 Longfangs with 4 LCs is 175. Try that in your next few games and if it works keep running with it. Then you can choose from experience and not only theory. My BT army (1500pts) has 4 Lascannons - 3 Pred, 1 Crusader. 1 Multimelta - Dread. 3 Meltaguns - Crusader. 1 Flamer - Crusader. 1 Heavy Flamer - Dread. 1 Vindicator. With short-range armies like BT and SW, I think it is important to have LCs. With their long range they force the enemy to engage the bulk of the force. Without that 'encouragement' they might have no incentive to fight your TROOPS. LCs and MMs are the anti-armour weapons - if you don't have these you might not hit hard enough to scare the enemy into attacking you. LCs can do all three things you asked, but just target whichever is most threatening for your army. Go all out, go Lascannon!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeti Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Never leave the fang without some lascannons. My current list has a full lascannon pred and a land raider ... lotsa twin linked las-y goodness. I also have a quad-autocannon (ok ... 2x twin linked) dreadnought that will tear up light armor. A few meltas sprikled with my GH/scout packs and I'm ready to take down all kinds of armor. Also, as mentionned by Marshal_Wilhelm, the big guns are also great to take down heavy infantry and multi-wound models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 Ok, thanks guys, I think for my anti armor needs this is going to be my load out. 5 long fangs 2x Lascannons and 3x Missile lauchcher + Pack leader + WG in TDA with CML. this will back up 2x Godhammer Land Raiders with Multi Meltas. That gives me potentially 6x lascannon shots (4 Twin linked) a turn at potentially 6 different targets!!! :jaw: That also gives me 5 Missiles to spread some frag and krak love around as well. Sprinkle in some GH with melta guns and my AT is set. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 :jaw: I would say that would do it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 Yeah, now that I think about it I might be approaching overkill. :jaw: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 overkill is wolfy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfside Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 on sunday i ran a squad of long fangs with the following wg with cyc missile launcher 3 lascannons 2 missile launchers lf leader in cover, on top of rocks, it pumped out some extreme amounts of firepower. i was able to split fire between marines and a landraider/rhinos. new lf = dream come true. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 overkill is wolfy Quoted for truth Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 overkill is wolfy I'm gonna have to go with this. For my Long Fangs, I've been doing 3x ML, 2x LC and 3x ML, 2x PC. Anti-armor specialist or the best of both worlds :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 i genraly run with 2ml 2 lc but i back it up with a pred destructor with lc pods(120 pts) and a speeder with a multi melta for land raider loveing i back this up with a grey hunter pack with 2 meltas and a power fist for dread hunting fun Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantinel Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I am not really fond of lascannons. Usually I don't field even one. I am using two Long Fang squads with missile launchers and they take everything around 12 armor. Lascannons are nice, but tend to do nothing for me as you still need 5+ to just scratch a Land Raider and then again a 5+ to kill it, which isn't really reliable. Now with cheapy Grey Hunters with 2 melta's, you can go nuts tank hunting with them and they will have far better chance to pop the big stuff. But to be honest, everyone around me likes lascannons, so I might give them a try them anew and mix some in my Long Fangs squad just to be sure they are not worth it ;-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2147951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Hunter Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 Okay, I'm officially sold on lascannons. They tore up my friends Nids and allowed me to come away with a rare win. (at least it was rare when I played codex) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2148473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hurray! :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181401-how-effective-are-lascannons/#findComment-2149287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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