rodgers37 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I have asked in two of the Wolf Guard as troop threads, as to why Fen Wolves 'count as troops' when taking Canis, when they cannot join Troop units, and cannot take points..... Why would they count as troops? The only reason would to be, to take them as a Troop choice.... So therefore Wolf Guard squads would also be troop choices...... I know the arugments and rules for Wolf Guard (although as i read the codex, it says Wolf Guard count as TRoops when Logan is used or something along those line, and after a couple of weeks someone decideds they are not a troop choice, and now nearly everyone thinks the same.....) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181480-canis-and-fenwolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 the wolves in a big pack will scare the hell out of some folks especialy if you have two packs of 15 no objective holding thats true but watch them run Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181480-canis-and-fenwolves/#findComment-2148396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Being large in numbers (if you field them that way) they can block line of sight and act like bullet magnets while you bring the rest of your Army into position. They do have their uses, and they are fast and so can cover ground rapidly and even tie up units in CC. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181480-canis-and-fenwolves/#findComment-2148426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 Yeah but what has that got to do as them being chosen as troops? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181480-canis-and-fenwolves/#findComment-2148452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Best thing I could think of that would go along with troop choice is on Dawn of War games, you can get Canis and 2 packs of wolves on the table. Some other uses I have found for the wolves *Screens for Long Fangs, you can shoot over them but they receive cover save in return. *Cleaning unit, if you get GH into an assult have your FW charge in for some fresh attacks, just 7 of them will give you another 21 dice *Keep them close to your HQ and use their large bases to ensure your HQ does not get surrounded *I used their large base in CC to clog up a terrian feature trapping two LR into a corner. *Run them at Dev type squads. *intercept fast units such as scout bikers or Necron scarabs types *contest objectives Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181480-canis-and-fenwolves/#findComment-2148453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 Yeah i have 30 Wolves, i think i will use them in a lot of games, because they are cheap and will deserve some attention, i played Nids on sunday, and he flew his hive tyrant towards 15 Wolves, shot them, did 10 wounds, i saved 2 of them, i then charges with the remaining 7, he killed 3, i did 1 wound, and passed my leadership :D which gave the TH termies time to charge in :D But if 'count as' for Wolves mean they are troops, then it would be the same for Wolf Guard, i just don't really understand :S Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181480-canis-and-fenwolves/#findComment-2148468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screwhead Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I think he's not asking what to do with them, so much as why take them as troops.. And I think that the best reason for taking them as troops is so that you can free up your Fast Attack slots for other units you'd rather have, like Skyclaws or Swiftclaws, or some Land Speeders.. They can't score no matter where you take them (FA or Troop) but if you take them as troops, that lets you take that much more FA.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181480-canis-and-fenwolves/#findComment-2148484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 But if 'count as' for Wolves mean they are troops, then it would be the same for Wolf Guard, i just don't really understand :S I know there is a thread on this somewhere. If I remember because of that little statement that they can never hold an objetive making them troops does not override then statement. So the troops statement will only allow you to take an unlimited number of Fen Wolf Packs, leaving your Fast Attack Slots open to Swift Claws and LS and the like. Would make for a super fast and reactive Army List. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181480-canis-and-fenwolves/#findComment-2148492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 But if 'count as' for Wolves mean they are troops, then it would be the same for Wolf Guard, i just don't really understand :S I know there is a thread on this somewhere. If I remember because of that little statement that they can never hold an objetive making them troops does not override then statement. So the troops statement will only allow you to take an unlimited number of Fen Wolf Packs, leaving your Fast Attack Slots open to Swift Claws and LS and the like. Would make for a super fast and reactive Army List. yeah which is what i though, so that would be meaning Wolf Guard would be a troop choice not an Elite...... :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181480-canis-and-fenwolves/#findComment-2148496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Yeah but what has that got to do as them being chosen as troops? Would fulfill purchasing requirements cheaply to get and fill Elite/Heavy/Fast slots without having to field a 3K points Army, otherwise. The SW version of an IG Troop in cost. Getting cheap troops allows for you to sink your points elsewhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181480-canis-and-fenwolves/#findComment-2148555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 Yeah but what has that got to do as them being chosen as troops? Would fulfill purchasing requirements cheaply to get and fill Elite/Heavy/Fast slots without having to field a 3K points Army, otherwise. The SW version of an IG Troop in cost. Getting cheap troops allows for you to sink your points elsewhere. Therefore Wolf Guard units are also troops.......... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181480-canis-and-fenwolves/#findComment-2148564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tiger Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Yeah but what has that got to do as them being chosen as troops? Would fulfill purchasing requirements cheaply to get and fill Elite/Heavy/Fast slots without having to field a 3K points Army, otherwise. The SW version of an IG Troop in cost. Getting cheap troops allows for you to sink your points elsewhere. Therefore Wolf Guard units are also troops.......... if you take Logan grimnar yes Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181480-canis-and-fenwolves/#findComment-2148588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 Yeah but what has that got to do as them being chosen as troops? Would fulfill purchasing requirements cheaply to get and fill Elite/Heavy/Fast slots without having to field a 3K points Army, otherwise. The SW version of an IG Troop in cost. Getting cheap troops allows for you to sink your points elsewhere. Therefore Wolf Guard units are also troops.......... if you take Logan grimnar yes Not according to half the others on this forum, as far as i can tell...... I was just using Canis and Fen.Wolves as an example, to show how Wolf guard are troops when taking, because if they where not, then Fen.wolves would not be, and the Fen.Wolves count as troops would be useless as they cannot take objectives anyway, the only reason to take Fen.wolves as troops is for more fast attack or more wolves, as they can be menacing ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181480-canis-and-fenwolves/#findComment-2148614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tiger Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Not according to half the others on this forum, as far as i can tell......I was just using Canis and Fen.Wolves as an example, to show how Wolf guard are troops when taking, because if they where not, then Fen.wolves would not be, and the Fen.Wolves count as troops would be useless as they cannot take objectives anyway, the only reason to take Fen.wolves as troops is for more fast attack or more wolves, as they can be menacing :lol: what??? if you take logan as HQ your wolf guard are troops if you canis as HQ your little puppies are troops neither are troops choices without the above two and are only elites and fast attack respectively, its that simple Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181480-canis-and-fenwolves/#findComment-2148638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maznaz Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Not according to half the others on this forum, as far as i can tell......I was just using Canis and Fen.Wolves as an example, to show how Wolf guard are troops when taking, because if they where not, then Fen.wolves would not be, and the Fen.Wolves count as troops would be useless as they cannot take objectives anyway, the only reason to take Fen.wolves as troops is for more fast attack or more wolves, as they can be menacing :lol: You got the wrong end of the stick. People were saying that wolf guard pack leaders in non troop units like scouts and long fangs didn't make those units into troop choices. Wolf Guard units (not pack leaders) do count as troop choices when you field Logan Grimnar and don't take up an elite force organisation chart slot. The main reason that I can understand for both of those decisions is to be able to field a flavoursome army. In the case of Canis, you can field more than 3 squads of wolves without losing access to other fast attack choices, in particular, Thunderwolf Cavalry. Essentially, you can wolf it to the max. Marek Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181480-canis-and-fenwolves/#findComment-2148643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonham1963 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 The reason that you take wolves as troop is too free up a FA slot. WG as troops frees up an elite slot. Still, wolves can't capture objectives, by rule, where WG that are a unit, rather than a pack leader can. This is pretty similar to the orks allowing Deff dreads as troop, when you select a Big Mek, as HQ, even though the DD can't capture objectives, due to being a vehicle. It frees up HS slot for the Orks, so they can take more HS selections. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181480-canis-and-fenwolves/#findComment-2148649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 So basically i misunderstood.... When you take Logan, a Wolf Guard unit is a Troop, thats how i first saw it, and thats how i thought it was, but then i thought i saw many people saying that it was wrong....sorry :S Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181480-canis-and-fenwolves/#findComment-2148713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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