pryor Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 Compared to Attack Bikes are Landspeeders worth it anymore? I mean they already are more expensive, can only fire all weapons if it moved 6" (typhoon excepted of course), only a 18" flat out speed (unless on a road) & the invunerable save is not as good as the bikes on turbo boost. I mean have a missed a rule that makes them worth it (I do remember remember 'glancing only' that applied but I think that was the previous because I can't find it anymore). Don't get me wrong I love speeders & they fit better into my army theme than the bikes but they just don't seem as point effective as the bikes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Admiral Thrawn Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 This blog post pretty much sums up my thoughts http://raptor1313.blogspot.com/2009/09/spa...-vs-attack.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2149099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mycroft Holmes Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Compared to Attack Bikes are Landspeeders worth it anymore?I mean they already are more expensive, can only fire all weapons if it moved 6" (typhoon excepted of course), only a 18" flat out speed (unless on a road) & the invunerable save is not as good as the bikes on turbo boost. I mean have a missed a rule that makes them worth it (I do remember remember 'glancing only' that applied but I think that was the previous because I can't find it anymore). Don't get me wrong I love speeders & they fit better into my army theme than the bikes but they just don't seem as point effective as the bikes. It's a Fast Skimmer and as far as I remember... Skimmers can move 18" normally and 24" when they're Fast. Skimmers are unaffected by Roads; they don't gain the +6" It gets a Cover Save for moving fast, not an Invul. Mycroft Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2149116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Chaos_Brute Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 MM Attack bikes if you're having trouble with AV 14. Typhoons w/ HB otherwise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2149130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rat of vengence Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 12" normal and firing one weapon, up to 24" flat out. ;) RoV Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2149133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 MM Attack bikes if you're having trouble with AV 14.Typhoons w/ HB otherwise. Its funny because I'd go with Multi-Melta/Heavy Flamer Speeders as my standard because they're do anything. For my money, if I wanted to mess with the Typhoons, I'd look into Cyclones ML on Terminators. I think its a better platform for that kind of thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2149142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giga Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 You can't compare Land Speeders and Attack Bikes. They both serve a similar purpose, but they do it in their own awesome ways. In other words, I think both MM/HF speeders and MM attack bikes are very viable and work very well in same lists. Typhoon speeders, on the other hand, are something completely different. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2149160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother_Augustus Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I take it down to one fact and one fact only can a land speeder be hit by a guardsman lasguns , no can an attack bike, yes therefor i find land speeders much better. That and i can field two useful weapons on a speeder insted of just the one heavy bolter or multi-melta. That and heavy flamer multi-melta death is pure win. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2149223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Chaos_Brute Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 MM Attack bikes if you're having trouble with AV 14.Typhoons w/ HB otherwise. Its funny because I'd go with Multi-Melta/Heavy Flamer Speeders as my standard because they're do anything. For my money, if I wanted to mess with the Typhoons, I'd look into Cyclones ML on Terminators. I think its a better platform for that kind of thing. You can't get 6 Kraks for 270 pts from a Termie squad-it'll run you about twice as much for 4. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2149323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 BoLS has something on this: http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2009/10/40k...s-speeders.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2149500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadaeux Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Personally I HATE Space Marine bikes, Chaos OR Loyalist. As such I will never ever take Bikes let alone attack bikes. For myself I prefer Typhoons with MM. (Unsurprising as my Speeders are my main anti-tank as I use a drop/deep-striking army.) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2149507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I'm gonna have to hate on the Bikes too. It just doesn't work for me.. not at all. Same goes for Marines riding Giant Wolves. :S Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2149522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 See, and if its just tank popping I actually really like MM attack bikes- they get in, get the job done, get out... low to the ground avoiding LOS to the enemy units they arent targetting until they get there... and if they explode afterwords Im not out a whole lot of points. If I want something thats capable of covering several options Ill take a Typhoon, or a MM/HF Tornado. Because a mixed squad of attack bikes is begging for trouble. Nowadays though, since Im a SW that choice has been taken from me... so my single MM speeders are being dusted off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2149560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audun Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 I'd use both if I played regular marines, as it stands, I'm a Wolf player, and thanks to the new 'dex, my plans for a bike squad, 3 mm attack bikes and 3 MM/HF Speeders are slightly messed up, meaning I just put the 1 attack bike I have into my regular bike pack and added some assault marines (skyclaws) The speeders have immunity to S3 weapons, and the mm bike has 7 other bikes around it, but they can be tied down in combat, Speeders can't (although if your speeder is getting assaulted, odds are it's not gonna be able to to much next turn) Each has slightly different strengths/weaknesses, so isn't it better to get both? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2155500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 I far prefer Attack bikes. I find it easier to keep them hidden and the turboboost save is great. The Typhoon Speeder is great too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2155520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 If this was just what was better for anti-tank, I would state that I prefer the multi-melta attack bike over the MM/HF Speeder once again. However, this doesn't mean I dislike Speeders, and I tend to try and fit both into my armies. In one 1500pts army I have a squad of two MM ABs and a Typhoon. I like the Typhoon for its flexibility, while I prefer attack bikes for tank hunting for the superior cover save when moving flat out, combat ability (tieing up dangerous units that have just jumped out of tanks and would attack my bikes anyway) and the fact that they are cheaper than a HF/MM. In the end it comes down to preference, either in terms of performance or even just if you like the model or not. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2155556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chapter master 454 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Whats more funnier than seeing your opponent soil their pants from a deep striking land speeder appearing right next to their land raider? Oh I know 3 of them! Personally I prefer speeders, they can carry more weapons and basicly do better at what an attack bike trys. Attack bikes are ether anti-infantry where both guns are useful or AT where only one is, with a land speeder it can carry two weapons that don't need to worry about it. Then again I only take the cheapo 60 point MM speeder if I take one most of the time for the hilarious sight of Deep striking MM power! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2155594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
templargdt Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 I prefer speeders w/ MM and HF. Much more versitile. In my last batrep I wrote up I had a pair of speeders destroy an Executioner, Stracken and his command squad, and a squad of Ratlings. For 140 points. If you ever want to see something truly brutal, run speeders in a Vulkan list. It's painful to watch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2155759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus de Mortalis Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 Land Speeders have a much greater ability to contest objectives. They can fly over anything, including enemy models, and don't get stuck in close combat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2155972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sanctjud Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 They are both good. They are both similar but different. Speeders for contesting, yes. Being able to engage in combat for the attack bikes can sometimes be a good thing...actually it's always a good thing for me generally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2157689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gornall Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I'd like to point out that Speeders can't be Lashed/Jawed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2157746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koremu Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I'd like to point out that Speeders can't be Lashed/Jawed. Or Doomed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2158010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gornall Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I'd like to point out that Speeders can't be Lashed/Jawed. Or Doomed. Amen! Forgot about that one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181556-landspeeder-vs-attack-bikes/#findComment-2158068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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