Marek Grimfang Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Thats right, your losses with the new book for those that have had time to play with it. I had the opportunity to watch a huge Apoc game recently and there was a SW related army that had to go up against Tyranids and Orks, among all the other stuff that was going on. That assault based army did not fair so well and could not take and hold the objectives. It just couldn't fend off the other armies when it came time to defend itself. So Im just looking for some input on where you found dire weaknesses in your SW lists and how you plan to better them in the future. I know the trend now for GH's is the 9 GH+WG with the Melta and PF, but I am strongly leaning to not even having a W in the GH packs just so I can have that extra melta gun to help fend off assaults and on coming armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorn Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 you may have seen this shamful defeat in another post.........against the dark angels(hiss) azrael killed ragnar then logan, but with logans last seconds of life he smashed azreals head in with his axe killing him :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the great beaver Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 well my first 3 games were abysmal and I simply couldn't kill enough stuff to make a difference...of course I still only ever tied the games (and actually won most of them because of SW low kill points) but to someone like myself I consider those losses...I've since decimated 3 opponents now that i get what the codex is trying to tell me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I lost to daemons, mainly because of lack of fire power, and no assualt attacks because they where all Slaanesh..... but have beaten Tau twice, Nids and Chaos :( (oh i may have lost to orks, but again it was my list, i decided to take 2 LAnd Raiders, but everything was in combat, so i could not flame it :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 SISTERS SISTERS SISTERS DARK ELDAR IMPERIAL GUARD IMPERIAL GUARD ELDAR TAU Since the new dex, ive gone from winning pretty much every game, to losing every game....seriously like [==] that close to dumping all my stuff and starting something else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the great beaver Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 you should just forget everything you knew about SW and pick up this new army...their called Space wolves and they're awesome but totally different :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Perhaps you are playing the new Dex like the old one or your tactics just aren't meshing completely with the maximun efficiency vs minimum weakness. Otherwise you have to get a new set of lucky dice, duh?!? :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Don't worry my man. I too have gone from winning almost every game to, losing the last 3 of 4. I however think back on each game and I lost due to my own mistakes, forgetting the banner re rolls, not used to playing with LF so forget they need a little support, Got some real bad rolling on 1 game. Any new list has to be played a few times to learn the strengths and weaknesses, doubly so for a new codex. I fear not for the codex, just for my next foe who will be on the receiving end of my revenge. Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 well my first 3 games were abysmal and I simply couldn't kill enough stuff to make a difference...of course I still only ever tied the games (and actually won most of them because of SW low kill points) but to someone like myself I consider those losses...I've since decimated 3 opponents now that i get what the codex is trying to tell me. and what is the codex now trying to tell you beaver? Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wing_Knight Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I lost to Grey Knights.....that's right you heard me grey knights...now to be honest i only lost because he was firing an inducted leman russ at my Long Fangs and then scattered twice! onto my objective holding Grey hunters.....but other then that i have tied once against the same player won against him twice, and then won a three-way battle royal between me, Knights and Bugs....But i would agree you do kinda have to rethink how to play some of our units. Oh and T-Wolves, learn to love them I have at least after they smashed a unit of GKT + GrandMaster, and in a different game one rounded a 10 grey knights squad then a 10 inducted veteran imperial guard then a leman russ... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clanfield Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 iv played 5 won 5 so far Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedMoon Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 this is always the problem with a new dex. i know a few wolves at our local shop who have changed there army completely and complain how they loose all the time. they run all of the new shiny things and forget we have the best troop unit the grey hunter. i have barely changed my list at all. i droped a dread in a pod for some more termies in a pod for tank hunting. so far the only loss i have is against a death wing player simply because i decided to go first in a dawn of war mission....as soon as i deployed i knew i was screwed. my pod and scouts came on to an empty board. so they were completely useless the whole game. i contested his home objective but he managed to get my objective for the win. ive massacred 2 separate Blood Angel armies. 1 tau. 2 orcs. and 2 marines one lysander led the other vulcan lead. i stayed away from all the shiny stuff and tons of HQ's i run a wolf lord and a rune priest in 1850 and in 2000 point games its the wolf lord and njal. If you look at it we really didnt change all that much. we got cheaper in most respects. i just fit the new stuff in my list and actually found more points and have more stuff in my army. but like all new codexes you just have to find what works i say dont change the list from what you have been playing and just retrofit in the new points. and definitely learn from your mistakes...stupid death wing lol however as a side note i would like to say you should have seen the look on the salamanders face when his grey knight grand master...(who he only runs for the ability to kill stuff thats immune to instant death and a table wide psychic hood). was mauled by njal's bird then wounded and killed by his rune staff LMAO!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman kw Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 i've only played one game so far. againist crimsion fists with Kantor leading them...i tied as we both heald an objective and there my gery hunters got assaulted by a dreadnought before they where in range...still killed Kantor, his Libarian and one Marine with JOTWW...he rolled a 6 for Kantor and Libarian and a 5 for the Marine...it was a nice HOWL. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgad Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Won my first game vs. Imperial Guard due to incredible luck and/or Russ watching over me. Completely got my arse handed to me in two games vs. Tau Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnars Claw Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I've only lost 1 game and that was due to my thunder wolves failing their ld test from a tank shock! I think new wolves are as good as old wolves which means they are pretty good in my eyes ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillen Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I have won every game so far, but indeed I am playing the same types of lists. Heay on Grey Hunters and some Armor. No Long Fangs. I have been using bikes. The Bikes with a Wolf Lord and Wolf Priest on a bike seem to chomp anything that gets near them. The Twin Linked really makes up for the piss poor BS. Their movement gets them where they need to be. I like the bikes so much I am going to make a 3 Swiftwind (?) list to see how it does. I am also working on a 35 Term list of Wolf Gaurd. I imagine I will lose with these lists at first. That is the way of new troops with new tactics. You have to get burned a few times to learn from them. In WWII we had 2 really bad landings and we learned from them so D-day would have a better chance. Same for our new forces. Experiance playing all the armies let's me see what might be effective. Yet I do not have a true grasp till I use it and see it in the field. Remember our strengths. GREY HUNTERS!!! The best troop choice in the game! Back them up with an Assault squad and some armor and nothing can stand in your way. Is anyone using Fenris wolves to shield Thunder Wolf Cav? I thought this might be a good way to go. Giving them a cover save on the move. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirnir Ragefang Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I just hate Infantry spamming Guard. Next time i'll drop as much Grey Hunters as i can get in his flank, see how you like the Bolter Hurricane! But sniping the Guards officers with JotWW was fun. Oh, and i had a game resulting in a tie with Orks. It was a big melee in the center and ended with the middle objective held by neither one of us and everybody holding one other objective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 More then anything its getting used to the new list...like Vrox said...forgetting banners, and long fangs...just re adjusting my tactics...and also learning how to use a psyker for the first time....is a bit weird....but oh so fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 See, some people who can play a new list that is close to their old list have the experience to overcome, others are just that good. Me I lost my 3 AB with MM, I lost my 3 standard 120 point HQs and my Shotgun scouts. so had to retool and am playtesting a bunch of weird stuff in my list. Like high carbon steel, I may take longer to hone my skills, but will be all the sharper for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Lost the first game to KP vs. DH/IG through sloppy play and lack of Long Fangs. That'll probably never happen again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zark Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 I lost to Thousand sons when play testing from rumors before I had the codex. I lost to Eldar. He grabbed the objective with skimmers at the last turn. I blew up most of his stuff though. I would have been ahead if I played for kill points. I also forgot to run my lone wolf for 2 turns. He died from eight fire dragons but at least my scoring unit was saved by his sacrifice. I almost lost to fleeting terminators from ol shrike. I killed all the terminators but only had 2 models left. He still had 2 troop squads.This did allow me to contest the objective and score a tie. I have won the other 4 games I have played so far. My list was as follows for most of these games. Njal stormcaller 245 8 scouts (175) pp, mg, mow, pw lone wolf 85 term armor, storm shield, chainfist wolf guard champ (43) t-hammer, wolf guard champ (38) term armor, combiplas, powerwpn wolfguard champ (43) pfist, termi armor, 8 grey hunters (170) plasmagun, pw, mow, wt drop pod 9 greyhunters (215) meltagun, wt, mow, pw rhino 8 grey hunters (200) metlagun, wt, mow, pw 6 grey hunters (180) flamer, mow razorback with las/plas 6 grey hunters (180) flamer, mow razorback with las/plas Land raider 250 6 longfangs (145) 3 hb, 2 pc Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hmmm maybe we should turn the title of this thread from "Post your SW losses" to "What's working and what's not working" Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Grimfang Posted October 13, 2009 Author Share Posted October 13, 2009 Hmmm maybe we should turn the title of this thread from "Post your SW losses" to "What's working and what's not working" Done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 13, 2009 Share Posted October 13, 2009 Cool brother. I had planned on opening a thread like this but you have a good start here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 I'll tell you what's not working. All out assault wolves. SW are better played sitting back and using their Long Fangs to dwindle the numbers before counter assaulting out with Rhinos and LRs and killing the dwindled enemy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181639-post-your-sw-losses/#findComment-2150809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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