Ferrus Manus Posted October 14, 2009 Share Posted October 14, 2009 Index Hereticus: Disciples of Hate Origins The origins of the Disciples of Hate are conjoined with the origins of the Traitor Legions. They began as members of Luna Wolves Legion; known to all as the 28th Company, led by Captain Malki. Like the rest of his legion, Malki led his brethren again the Emperor’s lackeys during the Horus Heresy. Malki led his company to the walls of the Emperor’s Palace itself. He fought and killed for days, his fury unimaginable. Once Horus had been slain, and his Legions broken Malki ordered his Company to flee. He was heartbroken, his beloved lord dead; murdered by the hand of the Emperor. His pain turned to pure hatred and he began to plot his vengeance against the Imperium. Unlike the rest of his legion, Malki and his men didn’t flee to the Eye of Terror. They managed to avoid capture, fleeing to the edges of the known galaxy, away from prying eyes. The 28th Company found some dark corner in which to hide, and nurse their growing hatred as they did. The mood was infectious and it didn’t take long for every member to have a fanatical devotion to Malki’s cause burn within their chest. Each of them swore themselves to him and his new path. Thus, they 28th Company became the Disciples of Hatred. Over the Millennia the original members of the 28th Company have gradually fallen in battle against the Imperium; each death serving to fuel the Chapter’s hatred for the Imperium. As such, at present there are no longer any living members of the 28th Company. The Disciples, now ironically, like most loyalist Chapters recruit new members from the populace of Imperial Planets. It is believed that the Disciples recruit convicts of Delta-Omega, a prison world dedicated to the imprisonment of those deemed clinically insane. Homeworld - Have performed dark rituals to bind the power of the Warp to the planet for additional protection. - Outer edge of the Galaxy, very borders of Imperial Space. Exact location unknown. Combat Doctrine - Similar to old Legion doctrines. Have a favouritism of using Terminator Armour to spearhead assaults. - Don’t use daemons/possessed etc… Organisation - Are organised into Companies. At current time there are 7 companies ranging from 50-150 brothers. No members of Original Company have survived. Legions don’t even recognise their heritage. They deem them lesser. Beliefs - Utter contempt for Imperium - Standard Chaos beliefs - Chaos is a tool, not a way of worship. - Ritualised their Hatred in some way. Unsure how, hmmm. - See Malki as a father, almost like their Primarch. However, they revere Horus as a God. - Refuse to use Daemons/Possessed/Daemonic Weaponry. Geneseed - Originally Horus’ geneseed. However, now is a mixture due to scavenging etc. Battle Cry “For Horus! For Malki!” Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181795-index-hereticus-disciples-of-hate/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 Hmmm, interesting, though even with your Belief paragraph I don't see the name fitting. They're codex themselves, to spread what they themselves do not embrace is a little comical. I like the idea of them getting too big for their boots, but also with uniformity, there comes the issue of the command structure. I feel a true "Anarchy" Chapter would be one made up of characters like Lukas the Trickster. There's nothing in the way of Psykers or Chaplains mentioned, or even a change in faith, it leads me to believe that they're still true to the Emperor. Are they? As far as not believing they've sold themselves out to Chaos, they're homeworld which they should be proud of is a daemon hub. This goes beyond insanity, to be quite honest. How do the Scions continue to recruit if their homeworld populace is, for all intensive purposes, slaughtered? The Hate Bearers isn't all that bad of a name, I don't see why they would change it, it fits more (albeit in a very emo manner). Also, some of the wording is a bit weird. Read through and you'll see what I mean, though it may just be writing style. KHK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181795-index-hereticus-disciples-of-hate/#findComment-2153454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted October 15, 2009 Author Share Posted October 15, 2009 Thanks for the reply! Hmmm, interesting, though even with your Belief paragraph I don't see the name fitting. They're codex themselves, to spread what they themselves do not embrace is a little comical. The Hate Bearers isn't all that bad of a name, I don't see why they would change it, it fits more (albeit in a very emo manner). I may keep the Hate Bearers. They would just change the object of their hatred. I find it ironic though, how they spread what they themselves don't embrace. People do this. There are examples all round us of this. There's nothing in the way of Psykers or Chaplains mentioned, or even a change in faith, it leads me to believe that they're still true to the Emperor. Are they? Honestly, I'm not sure. They betrayed the Imperium because they were shunned and began to loath their fellow Astartes. I'm not sure how they'd view the Emperor after. I mean it is entirely possible for them to hate the Imperium, but not the Emperor. As far as not believing they've sold themselves out to Chaos, they're homeworld which they should be proud of is a daemon hub. This goes beyond insanity, to be quite honest. They don't believe that they have sold themselves out to Chaos, correct. However, they believe that Chaos was who they would always end up siding with. It becomes the natural choice. It's basically their get out clause, to make themselves feel better about betraying their brethren. Hence, they are proud to have a Daemon World as a homeworld, maybe I should make that clearer. How do the Scions continue to recruit if their homeworld populace is, for all intensive purposes, slaughtered? Have you read Bleeding Chalice in the Soul Drinkers series? There is a passage about how the SDs recruit from all free thinkers and those shunned by the Imperium. I see these guys doing the same. Taking them in as they come across them. Hence, recruitment would be a serious problem for these guys. Also, some of the wording is a bit weird. Read through and you'll see what I mean, though it may just be writing style Trust me, I know. These paragraphs are effectively just place holders. I just needed to get all my ideas down. Thanks fr the comments, though. Much appreciated. Anyone else? All is welcome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181795-index-hereticus-disciples-of-hate/#findComment-2153508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted November 8, 2009 Author Share Posted November 8, 2009 Sorry for the bump, but I have majorly changed everything. Opinions would be welcome at this point. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181795-index-hereticus-disciples-of-hate/#findComment-2178760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 A bit of a drastic change, eh Ferrus :) ! If Chaos is a tool, I don't think they would base themselves on a Daemon world. For example, I don't think the Night Lords do. However, I'm not sure of the Iron Warriors so . . . maybe? If they're using Chaos as a tool, I don't think they would refuse to use Daemonic weapons. Also, what is their take on Possessed Engines? The war cry seems a bit redundant. Personally, I think For the True Emperor! would suffice. They way you describe it, he's loyal to Horus. To say For the Warmaster!, wouldn't that infer loyalty to Abaddon? Possibly misinterpretation on my part. There's just too little to comment on right now, but hope I helped, Ferrus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181795-index-hereticus-disciples-of-hate/#findComment-2178765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Interesting idea, Ferrus, sorry I don't know why but I don't remember seeing this first time round! My immediate thought is, apart from where they are, what makes them not Black Legion anymore? Is it just the colour scheme, or is it more? I mean, most Traitor Legionnaires are driven by their hate for the Emperor/the Imperium, in what way is these guys hate more intense? The other thing that struck me is the Daemon world bit. Does this mean they are affected in the same way by the warps weird time thing, and there are still warriors fighting from the time of the Heresy? Wasn't entirely convinced by that, especially since they are scavenging geneseed. It might almost be more interesting if it wasn't a Daemon world and they weren't still around, but rather the Disciples had stayed alive the same way a normal Chapter would, by taking in new recruits, etc. Then the hatred aspect could become more interesting, perhaps more ritualized, distilled into something very pure, cold and hard as it's been handed down. Obviously it's very bare bones ATM, so there's lots of room to expand, hope I've been able to offer something to think about! cheers Lysimachus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181795-index-hereticus-disciples-of-hate/#findComment-2178943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysimachus Posted November 8, 2009 Share Posted November 8, 2009 Damn computer ate my post, made me retype it, then put both up when i posted it! Grr!!! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181795-index-hereticus-disciples-of-hate/#findComment-2178946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrus Manus Posted November 9, 2009 Author Share Posted November 9, 2009 If Chaos is a tool, I don't think they would base themselves on a Daemon world. For example, I don't think the Night Lords do. However, I'm not sure of the Iron Warriors so . . . maybe?If they're using Chaos as a tool, I don't think they would refuse to use Daemonic weapons. Also, what is their take on Possessed Engines? The war cry seems a bit redundant. Personally, I think For the True Emperor! would suffice. They way you describe it, he's loyal to Horus. To say For the Warmaster!, wouldn't that infer loyalty to Abaddon? Possibly misinterpretation on my part. There's just too little to comment on right now, but hope I helped, Ferrus. I think I miss described their homeworld. I was aiming for a planet that writhes with warp energy but isn't a full daemon world. I.e they've just chained some of the power of Chaos to help defend their homeworld. If that makes sense. As for the warcry, I think For the Warmaster! works in the sense that these guys still believe in Horus, he was Malki's idol. Hence Horus, though dead, still has his loyalty. It might almost be more interesting if it wasn't a Daemon world and they weren't still around, but rather the Disciples had stayed alive the same way a normal Chapter would, by taking in new recruits, etc. Then the hatred aspect could become more interesting, perhaps more ritualized, distilled into something very pure, cold and hard as it's been handed down. Hmm, I like this, a lot, I will put some serious thought into it, thank you. +++++++ Thanks for the comments guys! You have both given me thinks to think about, look out for an update :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181795-index-hereticus-disciples-of-hate/#findComment-2179083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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