thade Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 It's thade again, with another question that seems easy but he wants to run it by the big boys anyway. Is there any reason Grey Knights and Space Wolves would not be cool working together? SW aren't Adeptas Astartes, but are one of the oldest (if the most divergent) chapters. However, there's the whole matter of the 13th company thing... Anyway, I want to run an army whose story goes like this: SW "lost company" is far-flung opposite side of the galaxy from their brothers. They are cut down to radically small numbers after months of fighting some as-yet-to-be-determined Chaos force. (Probably Ahriman, as my friend runs a Tzeentch army with said-bugger at the head of it.) The space wolf company loses a dreadnought and they are unable to recover it. Ashamed of this, they change their color scheme to represent their oath: to avenge the fallen dread. (The dread as yet to be named.) Anyway, they number very few and are struggling to deal with the Chaos forces, and for some reason (also yet to be determined) they can't contact home. Meanwhile, the Grey Knights show up to deal with the Chaos incursion in their own way, discover the wayward and waning Wolf Brothers and join forces. "The enemies of man cannot stand before them." That's the idea. I like to stay as accurate as possible when forming up these back stories though, so here I am, looking for advice/corrections/constructive criticism. The next round is on me, as it were. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 adeptus astartes is just a term used to describe marines. all marines are astartes regardless of what founding they were :( wolves and grey knights have fought together before, in the first war of armageddon when an entire company of GK teleported in to fight angron and his bodyguard of bloodthirsters. the wolves have a mistrust of pyskers and the Inquisition (the I because of the way it runs and how it treats the ordinary man) but they are man enough to bow down t a GKs knowledge of the daemonic and heir skill at arms. i would assume the GK would be concerned if there were large numbers of wulfen running around, but they wouldn't attack the SW without either proof of taint or the dirct orders of an Inquisitor Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2153643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmk17 Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 The SW are pretty secretive about things and have kept a tight lid on a LOT of stuff against the Big I. They have fought off an Inquisitiorial invasion when rumor had it the people of Fenris were worshiping pagan deities. The Canis Helix is unknown to most of the Inquisition, and when the Ordo Malleus Inquisitor in Wolf's Honor saw the effects of it and the wulfen; he used the M word really quickly. Had he not bit it fighting the Chaos marines, he probably would not have lived to tell his tale at the hands of Torin most likely. The debacle of their one and only off shoot chapter, caused enough concern amongst the Rulers of Terra that the SW were left alone while Guilliman's and Dorn's geneseed was spread far and wide. However, they have also stood shoulder to shoulder with the Inquisition (the Grey Knights, in the case of Armageddon) many times. Overall, they maybe be considered crass, rude and unpredictable; but they are recognised as unswerving loyalists and defenders of the Emperor. Besides, Grey Knights consider themselves a focused weapon against the daemonic forces. While they will work with other loyalist marines, their concern is the battle against chaos... not the hairy guy next ripping the daemon's head off. Inquisitors would probably be a different story though... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2153666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 SW have issues with the inquisition due to how the aftermath of Armageddon I played out. After the hard fought battle to save the people, the =][= sent everyone off the planet as slaves. During the Apostasy, a corrupt =][= sent a force to invade Fenris. We know that they =][= will try and go ape nuts if they fully understand the depths of our mutations. We don't like authority. And the =][= is a close to over the top authority short of the lords of terra. I think SW would still tons of respect for the GK's, especially considering their sacrifice at Armageddon, but GK's often come with a pomppous inquisitor who's presence encourages deep mistrust. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2153684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudelord Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 I had a similar idea excpet backwards. With a GK unit isolated and depleted being bolstered by a Space Wolf contingent that heard their calls for reinforcements. I know practically nothing about 40k back history so I had no idea whether it'd happen or not, but I figured GK are exceptional fighters and regardless of the presence of an Inquisitor, a SW force would render assistance (out of a desire to help, or if not, then just to see GK's in action again :P). I also had the Inquisitor die horribly cause he was a big meanie, so the SW were even more inclined to help out *please refrain from using derogatory terms* LR Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2153748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted October 15, 2009 Author Share Posted October 15, 2009 I also had the Inquisitor die horribly cause he was a big meanie, so the SW were even more inclined to help out I like the idea of the Inquisitor biting it, and the two groups being cut off from contact (some Chaos jamming shenanigan). I suppose it might be an awkward alliance, but it would work nonetheless, eh? I only intend to use Grey Knight units as allies...maaaaaybe an assassin. But no Inquisitors or anything "creepy" from that book etc. Thanks, guys. More fluff-related thoughts in this regard would yet be helpful. =) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2153759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlk Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 edited - I made a mistake, don't mind me Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2153762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted October 15, 2009 Share Posted October 15, 2009 I'm actually writing a story soon revolving around this concept. This is rather intresting to me. I would assume that the Wolves would respect the Grey Knights for their ability to kill lots of things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2153818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmk17 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 That and the Grey Knights are primarily the ones to interecede against the biggest bads that Chaos can throw, and against all odds too. The Wolves respect courage and sacrifice deeply. So seeing 100 Grey Knight Terminators deep strike onto Armageddon against the tides of Chaos Marines, daemons, and the Primarch/Daemon Prince Angron, forces that threatened to overwhelm and destroy the Wolves, would have been inspiring. Given that is was the Administratum and not the Grey Knights themselves that "sterilized" the population in the aftermath of the daemonic incursion, some of that respect may still exist. (Just remember, it was Logan Grimnar in command of the Wolves and Ulric the Slayer was present on Armageddon as well. Two of the current leaders of the Wolves, with very long memories). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2154044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 On top of everything said already, i would remind you that Logan Grimnar shared a warriors handshake with the Grey Knights after the 1st War for Armageddon... I personally think the GK and SW would be fine with each other, due to each of their awesome rep for curb stomping chaos. now a inquisitor on the other hand... WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2154061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 First of all, as has been mentioned Space Wolves are Adeptus Astartes....it's the Codex Astartes that we pay no mind to because the Wolves follow how Russ intended his Legion to fight (which is why the Space Wolves have more than the "prescribed" 1000 Space Marines in the Chapter). It has not been unheard of that the Space Wolves and the Grey Knights will fight together. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2154071 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Stromclaw Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 The inquisitor seems to be the only sticky bit in your story. Perhaps you should make it so he is an istvaanian or is corrupted by chaos and is in league with the chaos force with the intent of trapping wolves + gk by blockade/warpstorm/etc. It would make for a fun first mission in a narrative campaign "find and kill renegade inquisitor whose fault it is that we're stuck here." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2154077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Besides, Grey Knights consider themselves a focused weapon against the daemonic forces. While they will work with other loyalist marines, their concern is the battle against chaos... not the hairy guy next ripping the daemon's head off. Inquisitors would probably be a different story though... This, right here. Inquisitors? You ask seven inquisiotors what they think of SWs and youll get 15 answers and a black eye. Grey Knights? Theyll say "Theyre good to have at your back" and "I havent had any real problems with them". Deathwatch "They send us their members like everyone else, though they complain about the lack of ale alot". Sisters of Battle? Well, thatll vary convent to convent Im sure, but not as badly as that of the inquisitors. Im also fairly certain most of them wont think highly of us- weve been known to fire warning shots at ecclesiastical ships. I only intend to use Grey Knight units as allies...maaaaaybe an assassin. But no Inquisitors or anything "creepy" from that book etc. Thanks, guys. More fluff-related thoughts in this regard would yet be helpful. =) You cant field an assassin without an inquisitor. Remember- not all inquisitors are wanting a peice of us, if they were theyd have tried something a bit more... aggressive by now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2154087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 (Just remember, it was Logan Grimnar in command of the Wolves and Ulric the Slayer was present on Armageddon as well. Two of the current leaders of the Wolves, with very long memories). Tension makes for good stories, no? :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2154125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrMajor Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Being that I love gray knights too, I think its a great idea. In fact, I am making my own wolf company that have a background story that makes them like the gray knights of the space wolves with a bit of a darker twist. Good luck with your homebrewed fluff man. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2154198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serphanel Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 just as a point of intrest. the guys at GW Crawley replayed the 100 GK termie battle and they had to play the game 3 times to get to follow the story. the first time when they played it following the offical codex rules the GK's spanked the deamons so badly it was embarressing. the following game involve a few undisclosed rule changes to beef the daemons up some what. this turned out not to be enough and the still got spanked. so further changes were made and in the third game the seriously beefed up daemons finally gave the GK's a run for their money!!!!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2154463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmk17 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 (Just remember, it was Logan Grimnar in command of the Wolves and Ulric the Slayer was present on Armageddon as well. Two of the current leaders of the Wolves, with very long memories). Tension makes for good stories, no? ;) Exactly why I pointed it out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2154525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Nostromo Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 I have fielded my Space Wolves with my Grey knight '2nd army' a number of times and they seemed to get on fine ;) but thats probably because I never bring my inquisitor and his pet vindicare assassin along for the collaboration... Just doesn't fit the profiles of either for me. In short, Im really big on the mutual respect that Grey Knights and Space Wolves would have, but not if inquisitors are involved. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2154701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Just an off the wall question.. but where are the rules for using Grey Knights with a SW list? Running a list with Logan and figured I might as well buy some GK and use them if I get the urge.. provided there are rules for that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2154726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted October 17, 2009 Author Share Posted October 17, 2009 Just an off the wall question.. but where are the rules for using Grey Knights with a SW list? Running a list with Logan and figured I might as well buy some GK and use them if I get the urge.. provided there are rules for that? The Daemonhunters codex specifies how many units of each type (HQ, Troops, Fast, Elite...no Heavy allowed) you may take from it as Allies to a Space Marine or IG force. As Space Wolves are Space Marines, this covers them. (Otherwise, someone would have already told me otherwise by now. =) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2154756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Scotcho Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Well as long as you take an HQ and 2 troops (or the other minimums for the force organization charts) from both armies, yes you can take as many different armies as you want, within the points limit of the game. Explaining it narratively however, is up to you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2154759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simo429 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 from what i remember there are wolves at the trying to stop the despoiler and thats certainly where the vast majority of the grey knights are Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2155376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Fluff in the new codex: A Wolf Lord started a war with the Inquisition because they were to execute a radical inquisitor who likely saved many space wolf lives. The Wolves will happily wage war for what's right by them. Some inquisitors will respect and appreciate the combat experience of the Wolves, most will view them with distaste. But as already said te Grey Knights are warriors and will aknowledge the strength of arms the wolves can muster. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2155382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Well as long as you take an HQ and 2 troops (or the other minimums for the force organization charts) from both armies, yes you can take as many different armies as you want, within the points limit of the game. Explaining it narratively however, is up to you. I couldnt seem to find that in the rules. I can run Wolves and Chaos.. or Tau and Orks? ;) I think its something special in the codex that allows you to mix armies, I just wasnt sure if that was still the case. I will take a look at the appropriate codex. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2155482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Cuneglas Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 WLL, Last edition we had to have an HQ for every 750 points, which made it impossible to field a GK HQ. By adding more points we would need additional SW HQ's, making it so we could only field SW HQ's. The Daemonhunter's Codex will go into how to add their troops to your SW army or your SW to a GK army. The only question is since we're allowed extra HQ's in our Codex now, (with an astericks I might add) how many HQ's can we actually have? -WLC Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/181953-grey-knights-and-space-wolves/#findComment-2155562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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