Possessed Marine Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Hey all, quick question, I noticed that terminator armor gives a 5+ invulnerable save, but the sorcerer already has that, I was wondering if the terminator armor would give it a better save like a 4+ at that point? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182134-sorcerer-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brenner Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Hey all, quick question, I noticed that terminator armor gives a 5+ invulnerable save, but the sorcerer already has that, I was wondering if the terminator armor would give it a better save like a 4+ at that point? Sorcerer in power or terminator armour = 5+Inv. Sorcerer in power or terminator armour with Mark of Tzeentch = 4+Inv. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182134-sorcerer-question/#findComment-2155393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possessed Marine Posted October 18, 2009 Author Share Posted October 18, 2009 Thanks for the clarification, was hoping to get invulnerable save down to 3+ w/ MOT Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182134-sorcerer-question/#findComment-2155396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudge Dreadnought Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 It doesn't stack. The terminator armor grants a 5+ invulnerable save, not a +1 save. It could be argued that you would have 2 5+ inv saves, but since you can only ever take 1 save its not any use. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182134-sorcerer-question/#findComment-2155398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
satanaka Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 It doesn't stack. The terminator armor grants a 5+ invulnerable save, not a +1 save. It could be argued that you would have 2 5+ inv saves, but since you can only ever take 1 save its not any use. It does stack somewhat, Drudge. Quoted from Page 25 of C:CSM : Mark Of Tzeentch Models with the mark of Tzeentch gain +1 to their invulnerable save (to a maximum of 2+). If given to a model that does not normally have an invulnerable save, this mark confers an invulnerable save of 5+. Because Termie armor already has an invulnerable save of 5+, with MoT, it now becomes a 4+ invul, instead of a 5+. However, you are correct that it does not stack with the sorcerer's normal 5+ invul, because the termie armor "essentially" replaces that invul. The best you can do with termie armor/MoT is a 4+ invul. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182134-sorcerer-question/#findComment-2155886 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudge Dreadnought Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 MoT was not the original subject, and was not what i was talking about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182134-sorcerer-question/#findComment-2155888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possessed Marine Posted October 19, 2009 Author Share Posted October 19, 2009 Once again, thanks for the input... guess I'll just have to be happy w/ 4+ saves :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182134-sorcerer-question/#findComment-2156429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwasfrozen Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Once again, thanks for the input... guess I'll just have to be happy w/ 4+ saves :) Emm, do you realise that a psyker with a 4++ save is very powerful and you wouldn't get it as easily in any other army ? You should be a bit more greatful. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182134-sorcerer-question/#findComment-2157279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drudge Dreadnought Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Once again, thanks for the input... guess I'll just have to be happy w/ 4+ saves :) Emm, do you realise that a psyker with a 4++ save is very powerful and you wouldn't get it as easily in any other army ? You should be a bit more greatful. Other armies have more and better powers for cheaper, and psychic hoods. Some even autocast their powers. And 4+ inv is what every captain gets now :/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182134-sorcerer-question/#findComment-2157313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Chaos_Brute Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Once again, thanks for the input... guess I'll just have to be happy w/ 4+ saves <_< Emm, do you realise that a psyker with a 4++ save is very powerful and you wouldn't get it as easily in any other army ? You should be a bit more greatful. Like the Libby with Strom Shield for way fewer points with more useful powers and a hood? +1 to drudge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182134-sorcerer-question/#findComment-2157332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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