Karsus Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Has anyone played with pure TDA army yet? I think Wolfwing is very tempting Idea, but I want to hear some impressions/reviews of people who actually played with them. Are they situational? Are they versatile? Are they....good? Anything will be helpful. Thanks! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redbaron997 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 In playtest only. They can work decent if you are smart about it, ditch all the extra crap and take cyclone launchers. Basically its a slightly bette version of deathwing, but it still suffers all of DWs problems (low model count being the harshest.) So yea I would say its viable, but dont expext to win many tourneys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2155809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon950 Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 Wolfwing? There is no thing as a wolfwing. Or do you mean a wolf guard army? I don't think it would work all that good, basic troops are a better choice considering how much you would have to pay for each wolf guard squad and Logan himself. Maybe in Apoc it would be good for the point costs, but in smaller games your going to be horribly outnumbered. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2155827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dudelord Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 I always thought space wolves were the least terminator heavy army of any of the SM's. Am I just imagining that or is it actually true? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2155861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Frostfang Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 actually the chapter with the least amount of termies is probably the Iron Hands, at least according to fluff Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2155867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackJackal Posted October 18, 2009 Share Posted October 18, 2009 I thought that White Scars would have the least terminators... But back to the original topic, Pure TDA Wolves work but aren't the best idea. Just like Deathwing we suffer the flaws. Low Numbers, low firepower, each loss is a huge blow and you struggle to control key areas of the board. I find that it is actually possible to make a very strong army with WG Terminators but supported by grey hunters. Drop Pod the Termi's onto objectives and once the grey hunters are sitting on them the WG advance pouring bolter fire down-range as they go. The beauty of this is that if you run out of Grey Hunters or the game ends before you can move them up to claim objectives, the WG can do it for you! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2155877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okidus Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I am working on a Wolfwing list, being a pure DW player, the lists are almost identical, with WW getting the benefit of taking combi-melta, something DW cannot take, and hurts badly in Mechanized 5E. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2157775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lunchb0x Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 dont forget you can do wolfwing, with out taking full termy armour...nothing like 10 man strong wolf guard drop podding in next to an ork mob and rapid firing/flaming the entire thing to death. :nuke: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2157785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 the PA army i think is a more flexible and less hurtful with each model lost. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2157793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Ok, for calling it "Wolfwing" you are hereby cut off from the Ale for a week. I prefer "Dread Guard" myself... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2157806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlbitz Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 A mixed, Wolf Guard army combining power armor, and TDA would be quite strong, I imagine. A current Wolfguard in Power Armor, costs the same as a Grey Hunter with a Bolter from the old codex. With thier cheaper Wargear costs, I bet you could get a Wolfguard pack in power armor, with some wargear for about the same points as a fully kitted out GH pack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2157894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Duregar Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I always thought space wolves were the least terminator heavy army of any of the SM's. Am I just imagining that or is it actually true? Nah, we are still a First Founding Chapter with few Successors to share the stuff with so there´s plenty of Tactical Dreadnought Armours around.. ;) But you are correct about older fluff seeming to indicate that we have fewer or use ours more sparingly compared to, for example, Blood- and Do.. Dark Angels. I would love to model a Wolf Guard warband - would look awesome..! B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2157906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Landrain Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Wolf wing also have the capability of... 4x ( Landraider with 3 TDA inside ) as scoring units... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2157908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 1 WGT unit with Logan, one with Arjac and a third 8 man PA unit with the Rune Priest in TDA all in pods. And 3 Land Speeders with Multi Meltas. Worked well enough for me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2157912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceres Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Short answer: YES. Long-Short Answer: Deathwing has always been a viable, but not always truly tournament capable, which came to be basically after the removal of the second assault cannon from the squads some time ago. That being said, all 'wing armies are perfectly capable to be competitive though they do require some finesse to use, low body count & issues of mobility are things you do struggle with in every game. Most of the deathwing players (me included) have changed to the SW codex one can build stronger lists from it, mainly due to the fact that they were given combi-meltas, better cyclones and characters. I personally also prefer the cheap price and PW's as it gives me way more modeling options. So sum up: - Wolfwing is Competitive - Wolfwing is Demanding - Wolfwing IS COOL. Happy hunting, Ceres Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2157979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I shall be playing a 2.5K battle using only Terminators, Dreadnoughts and Land Raiders vs an Ork Army. I will try to report my Saga back to the Fang, and see how the Varagian Guard copes against everyones favourite menace... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2158011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gspots Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Long time lurker and long time DW player. As Previously mentioned, Wolf Guard lists can field 4 Landraiders. AND They can field 4 Dreadnoughts. (Bjorn + 3 standard dreads) I am thinking of fielding the following. (Don't have the codex here, guesstimating costs from memory) HQ Logan (in 4 man WG squad) Bjorn with PlCan Elite Dread 2Lascan ML Dread 2AC 2AC Dread 2HB PF Troops Wolfguard x5 Arjac upgrade HFlam WCs 2x PF Wolfguard x4 Asscan 3x PF Heavy Landraider Landraider Battle Plan: Use range (everything has 48" range) to soften enemy before advancing. Targets of priority are enemy armour/monstrous creatures/transports with the ability to negate +2 saves and ability to penetrate AV 14 with ease. Once these targets are destroyed, advance towards objectives with wolfguard protected within landraiders. Concentrate firepower on enemy units within proximity of landraiders. Targets of priority are assault troops, hq unit, anything ignoring armor saves in melee. Once these targets are destroyed, disgorge wolfguard and claim objectives or carry out mission victory parameters. Cover and terrain are your allies with this army. Use terrain to force opponent to funnel towards you. Concentrate fire and you should wipe out at least a squad a turn. Most weapons are twinlinked meaning you will hit a lot. 5x twin linked lascannons should take out enemy armour with ease. Plasma cannons, assault cannons and autocannons deal with transports and light armoured vehicles. Stormbolters and heavy bolters deal with infantry. Mop up in HTH. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2158148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Dont dirty our chapter by calling it "Wolfwing"! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2158550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForTheLion Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 There was a battle report on youtube 2 days ago where someone had played 1250 pts with wolfwing vs some nids. I tried looking for it again but its not there anymore, maybe account was closed or clip deleted. It seemed to do well vs those swarmy bugs. But even with the best armor saves in the warhammer universe, rolling muchos dice will guarentee 1's Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2158721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Disclaimer: I have never played with a Space Wolves list, though I have played against them So why am I responding? I play C:SM, but I mostly play terminator dominated armies. I just love terminators. I would describe myself as a slightly above average player. I don't win 40K tournaments, but I tend to do Ok in Apocalypse as that scale seems to fit my style a little better. What I find intriguing about the all WG list (see, I'm a polite guest), is that since your termies come with something besides a powerfist (i.e. power weapons), you are more likely able to withstand the initial assault of a strong HtH unit. Powerfists are great if you are assaulting vehicles, but sometimes it's pretty tough having to wait to get your hits in. The fact that you can also arrive via a drop pod and I think your termies make for a very strong, in your face type of force. And I will also say this. Termies really bother people, especially a lot of them. Stick them in their face (how else would you play wolves) and watch them squirm. I say go for it. Oh, and terminators are a huge amount of fun. Guaranteed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2158885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geralt Firemane Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Ok, for calling it "Wolfwing" you are hereby cut off from the Ale for a week. I prefer "Dread Guard" myself... I know I may be going out on a limb here... but why not The Great Company, our The Company of the Great Wolf... even 1st Company at a push Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182192-has-anyone-played-pure-wolfwing/#findComment-2159164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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