warboy Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 ok, this may seem a bit out there, but what is the ruling on fielding space wolves with space wolves allies? i can't seem to find the rules regarding allies in the rulebook, page number please? i read somewhere else on the forums that if you use allies then they use a seperate army list meaning they need a hq and 2 troops etc. assuming this to be true, would it be legal to say, have ragnar's company allied with logan's company to allow for 4* HQ choices, and half my troops in TDA? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182224-rules-lawyers-check-in/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toasterfree Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 no need to do this. we can already take 4 hq, and with logan you can take WG as troops. you do not have to use all troops slots witj WG you can use GH and BC still Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182224-rules-lawyers-check-in/#findComment-2156088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
warboy Posted October 19, 2009 Author Share Posted October 19, 2009 The asterisk wasn't a typo. 4* HQ slots, meaning 8 HQ with space wolves rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182224-rules-lawyers-check-in/#findComment-2156091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahl02 Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 ok, this may seem a bit out there, but what is the ruling on fielding space wolves with space wolves allies? i can't seem to find the rules regarding allies in the rulebook, page number please? i read somewhere else on the forums that if you use allies then they use a seperate army list meaning they need a hq and 2 troops etc. assuming this to be true, would it be legal to say, have ragnar's company allied with logan's company to allow for 4* HQ choices, and half my troops in TDA? So basically you want to run 2 force organization charts. Depending on the points go for it, however I couldn't see anyone needing 8 HQ's on the first place. If you were wanting TDA troops with Ragnar then bring Logan and Ragnar. There you have as many TDA troops as you want up to 6 of coarse. In Apoc games FOC doesn't matter.I think the only "allies" would be the Demon hunters and Witch Hunters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182224-rules-lawyers-check-in/#findComment-2156093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
warboy Posted October 19, 2009 Author Share Posted October 19, 2009 that answers my question well enough. as for my reasoning, because it's fluffy dammit! and wolves are nothing if not fluffy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182224-rules-lawyers-check-in/#findComment-2156099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 ok, this may seem a bit out there, but what is the ruling on fielding space wolves with space wolves allies? i can't seem to find the rules regarding allies in the rulebook, page number please? i read somewhere else on the forums that if you use allies then they use a seperate army list meaning they need a hq and 2 troops etc. assuming this to be true, would it be legal to say, have ragnar's company allied with logan's company to allow for 4* HQ choices, and half my troops in TDA? No, incorrect, negatory. That is seperate detachments... not allies. Allies rules allow you to take a very select section of your army, including up to 1 HQ and 1 elite, into another army- and only DaemonHunters and Sisters of Battle can cross with Marines or IG. Seperate detachments are entirely up to opponents consent. So if you want to run 8 HQs, your better of going to apocalypse- because thats almost 1800pts by itself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182224-rules-lawyers-check-in/#findComment-2156100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
warboy Posted October 19, 2009 Author Share Posted October 19, 2009 now THAT'S rules lawyering. thanks for the clarification there. i wonder if the warrior women of fenris are shipped off to the adeptus sororitas? could make for some interesting conversions if nothing else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182224-rules-lawyers-check-in/#findComment-2156108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperialis_Dominatus Posted October 19, 2009 Share Posted October 19, 2009 My first thought at the thread title was "...they don't check out." Ahem. But with separate detachments it would seem that yes, you can take 8 HQs. Easily over a thousand points, but hey. It's proppa Wolfy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182224-rules-lawyers-check-in/#findComment-2156156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 it'd be 8 HQs if both were space wolves. if not it would be 6 (4 from the wolves and then 2 from whichever other force you used). theres no way in hell you could get waya with saying that even though half your force is wolves that the IG youve tagged along with are too and thus benefit from leaders of the pack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182224-rules-lawyers-check-in/#findComment-2156641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Grey mage is correct what you are thinking of is seperate detachments, and it should be noted that seperate detachments is like playing doubles, your enemy will also be using them, and its not something you can take to a tourrniment unless the tournament says so. Ally rules can be found in Demonhunter and witch hunter codexes. One army will be the parent army, and one will be the ally. The parent army must fufill all compulserary choices (1hq, 2 troops), the ally may provide (0-1 HQ, 0-1 elite, 0-1 fast attack, 0-2 troops), these go into your regular FoC. an Inquistion army may have an ally from any SM chapter or IG, though only from one (so if you have DT allies you may not also have SW allies, or IG allies) Any space marine chapter or IG may have an ally from the Inquistion (and may have allies from any branch, so a SW army may have allies from both which hunters and deamon hunters) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182224-rules-lawyers-check-in/#findComment-2158413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 One of my other armies is a full Grey Knights force; I hadn't even started thinking about how I might try to capitalize on an integrated army yet. With the old codex, the requirement for 1 Space Wolves HQ choice per 750 points complicated things, but now you can take advantage of most options, including a Grand Master and his Retinue, or Inquisitor Lord and Assassins, etc. I'll have to think about what I might use to compliment my main Wolves army. Too bad you can't ally in any Heavy Support choices, otherwise I'd be sneaking in some additional Grey Knights Dreadnoughts. Valerian Edit: Sweet Emperor- Ragnar attached to a Grand Master and Retinue = a boat load of Strength 7 Nemesis Force Weapon attacks at Initiative 5 (Retinue) and 6 (Grand Master). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182224-rules-lawyers-check-in/#findComment-2158491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 i wonder if the warrior women of fenris are shipped off to the adeptus sororitas? could make for some interesting conversions if nothing else. No, they are not. When they (the Witch Hunters.. not sure the 'official' name of their branch of the Inq) even tried to approach Fenris to investigate rumors, they were fired upon by the Wolves... and both sides are still pissy over it. Fenris is the property of the Space Wolves. No IG, so Sisters of Battle.. just Space Wolves and their retainers. :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182224-rules-lawyers-check-in/#findComment-2158788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 i wonder if the warrior women of fenris are shipped off to the adeptus sororitas? could make for some interesting conversions if nothing else. No, they are not. When they (the Witch Hunters.. not sure the 'official' name of their branch of the Inq) even tried to approach Fenris to investigate rumors, they were fired upon by the Wolves... and both sides are still pissy over it. Fenris is the property of the Space Wolves. No IG, so Sisters of Battle.. just Space Wolves and their retainers. :) Agreed, and it's Ordo Hereticus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182224-rules-lawyers-check-in/#findComment-2158888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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