cherrboh Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 ive heard arguements that word could reach the emperor of his primarchs deeds, but there wasnt anything on fenris capable of intersteller travel. its pretty unlikely that fenris was at the time an important trade planet, as their is only one stable continent and a pretty barbaric race. if you choose to go with the whole "the emperor sensed him" thing, i just think thats too easy. if he was by himself-ish from what i can remember, caliban and baal are "relatively" close to Fenris. Could the fact that their were several primarchs around that area be why the emperor was drawn to that part of space? your ideas fellas? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howling Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Simple put? I assume the emperor sent advance scout parties all over the galaxy, and one of them ended up on fenris and heard the rumors of him, quickly delivering them to the emperor....as simple as that... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2156616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 The Emperor found him 'a drunkard and a glutton, Able to achieve nothing more than filling his face and bellowing hollow boasts.' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2156625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forseti Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 That was just to provoke Russ into a real test. As for how he found him, I'm with Howling, He probably sent scouting groups to the most dangerous planets he could find, if anyone stood out, he went there personally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2156640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 True, a Primarch is not the kind of lad to hide himself (unless you are Alparius of course). If Empy hears of a bloke who has united a whole nation, performed heroic deeds beyond the capabilities of mere mortals and it's a safe bet one of his son's is down there. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2156646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherrboh Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share Posted October 20, 2009 yeah, but considering how many planets there are in the 40k known universe, even if you sent out 10000 scouting partys, to search all the nations sufficiently of all the planets, it would take several lifetimes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2156873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Remember the Emperor is a tremendous psyker perhaps that, and the closeness of Fenris to Terra made it possible to sense a strong presence there. Maybe he then sent a scouting party to investigate the goings on with the planet and with long range sensors/scopes was able to find an individual who was really out of place amongst the populace. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2156884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starblayde Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 It was the loudest post-chug belch that the universe had ever known, one that echoed through the Warp to the heart of Terra itself. And the Emperor heard it, and he was most displeased at the hairiest of his 20 sons was a Nordic frat boy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2156889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzzyman1981 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Exactly cause it is believed that all Primarchs where pyschic to an extent and the Emperor is the most potent psyker in the Imperium, and most likely up there at the top of pyschic powers from all the different races. So it's fairly reasonable to have sensed pyschic activity on Fenris and he sent scouts to check to make sure it wasn't a threat, and to check for other strange activity. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2156890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 There is always the other explanation. Empy knew where his kids had been sent to all the time, he let them grow and do their thing before picking them up one by one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2156908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdal Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I´ve envisioned rogue traders (gasp!) trading with the tribes of Fenris, and then the word travelled to the Emperor about a strange High King on a close-by planet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2156919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 There is always the other explanation. First met at summer camp in a crafts activity class. Seriously though, I'm not sure the GW powers that be (tome scribes) have covered this section of time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2156989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raulmichile Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I'm with Heimdal. Fenris is in the middle between Terra and the Eye. It was sensible by the Emperor to try to dominate that part of the galaxy in the fist stages of the crusade to increase security and control over whatever sprouted from the Eye of Terror. It was a matter of time for Russ to be encountered I think. Anyway, if you think about it, it was a real miracle that the Empreror found all 20 primarchs alive and kicking in around 150-200 years, considering he had to search in ALL the galaxy. Distances are simply HUGE! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2157007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdal Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Anyway, if you think about it, it was a real miracle that the Empreror found all 20 primarchs alive and kicking in around 150-200 years, considering he had to search in ALL the galaxy. Distances are simply HUGE! 19 primarchs. One of the primarcht found him! :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2157012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Scouting seems most likely. They drop 2-3 people on a planet, they spent a month or two there, and by that time they should of heard something. I mean, it wouldnt take someone new to our planet any time at all to figure out who our 'brightest and best are' and they wouldnt even have to land. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2157072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 There is always the other explanation. Empy knew where his kids had been sent to all the time, he let them grow and do their thing before picking them up one by one. That does not explain Alpharius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2157164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Anyway, if you think about it, it was a real miracle that the Empreror found all 20 primarchs alive and kicking in around 150-200 years, considering he had to search in ALL the galaxy. Distances are simply HUGE! 19 primarchs. One of the primarcht found him! :) 17. Out of the original 20, 2 were of the lost legions and never recovered. Leaving 17 Primarchs that the Emperor found (coincidentally exactly 9 of them turned traitor) and 1 that found him. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2157315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raulmichile Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 All 20 were found and commanded their legions. Two of them were lost during the crusade and their records expugned. But the Emperor did found all of them, well 19, as others have explained :tu: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2157475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primarch Sanguinius Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 ive heard arguements that word could reach the emperor of his primarchs deeds, but there wasnt anything on fenris capable of intersteller travel. its pretty unlikely that fenris was at the time an important trade planet, as their is only one stable continent and a pretty barbaric race. if you choose to go with the whole "the emperor sensed him" thing, i just think thats too easy. if he was by himself-ish from what i can remember, caliban and baal are "relatively" close to Fenris. Could the fact that their were several primarchs around that area be why the emperor was drawn to that part of space? your ideas fellas? THIS IS THE FLUFF FROM LEXICANUM. SO ALL RIGHTS TO LEXICANUM HERE IT GOES :Primarch Leman Russ, grew up on the distant planet of Fenris, a snow-covered world inhabited by primitive, warlike tribes of humans. He was raised by a pack of the massive Fenrisian Wolves that prowl the snowy lands. He was discovered by a man named Thengir, King of the Russ, who had organized a party of hunters to clear the wolf pack from his lands. As most of the wolves were slaughtered the young man was captured and brought to Thengir who took him into his care, under the name of Leman Russ. The Primarch learned the ways of man quickly, and many legends sprung up about him. Upon his adopted father's death, the leadership of the Russ passed to Leman. Leman became a mighty leader, winning many victories, often fighting alongside packs of Fenrisian Wolves, led by two of his Wolf-brothers who escaped Thengir's hunters. The Emperor travelled to Fenris having heard word of the exploits of Leman Russ realizing that they could only be the work of a Primarch. At first Leman Russ refused to pay Him homage, going as far as challenging Him. The challenges consisted of three different contest, one being eating, the other drinking, and the third being a fist-fighting one. Russ managed to beat the Emperor at both eating and drinking, but the third challenge was more to the Emperor's liking. Having at first seemed like a disappointment, a drunkard and a boaster, the Primarch suddenly launched a furious attack. This very challenge proved to the Emperor that this was indeed one of his sons, Russ fighting with outstanding speed and power. After having the disappointment lifted from his spirit by his son's ferocity, the Emperor stopped holding back and quickly found an opening in Leman Russ' defences. The Emperor raised his Power Fist, knocking the Primarch out with a single blow that would have killed a lesser man. Leman Russ awoke later and blamed his loss on the alcohol, but in the end admitted defeat and swore fealty to the Emperor - HOPE YOU ENJOYED THE FLUFF Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2159709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Scotcho Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 That wasn't the question. The question is, How did the Emperor know where to look for Russ in the first place, since Fenris doesn't have a technology level that supports interplanetary trade? Restating of the canon isn't really what we're going for here, this is more of a "how do you think he did it" thing. I'm a fan of the Imperial Scouts theory, but the problem is, how did they know where to go? I think, to one degree or another, the Emperor must have been able to get a general sense of where his sons were, if not a specific location. The main reason I think this is the fact that the Galaxy is huge, so sending a scout team to find somebody would have been like using an eyedropper to fill an olympic sized pool. The Emperor would have had to have had a general idea of where to send the scout team in the first place, or else he'd still be looking for his sons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2159739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amit Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Emperor used a dog whistle ? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2159741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherrboh Posted October 22, 2009 Author Share Posted October 22, 2009 That wasn't the question. The question is, How did the Emperor know where to look for Russ in the first place, since Fenris doesn't have a technology level that supports interplanetary trade? Restating of the canon isn't really what we're going for here, this is more of a "how do you think he did it" thing. I'm a fan of the Imperial Scouts theory, but the problem is, how did they know where to go? I think, to one degree or another, the Emperor must have been able to get a general sense of where his sons were, if not a specific location. The main reason I think this is the fact that the Galaxy is huge, so sending a scout team to find somebody would have been like using an eyedropper to fill an olympic sized pool. The Emperor would have had to have had a general idea of where to send the scout team in the first place, or else he'd still be looking for his sons. yes, this is spot on what i was asking. I think the scout theory is good, being guided by empys uber hunches. i just think it would be hard to track people down this way. Even if the scouts landed on some planets, it may take decades. some planets may be considerably larger than earth. some may not have "the internet" and in the case of Fenris, the whole world is unstable and filled with barbarians. the scouts, irrespective if they were marines or not, would likely be attacked, and even Russ being high King, he probably had that many enemies, or even those on fenris who had no idea he existed because everyone was constantly moving due to hellwinters and such. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2159805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vassakov Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Simple. The Emperor found Russ when he went for a pint, and found the subsector drunk dry. It had nothing to do with "fantastic deeds," the Emperor was just angry that he couldn't get a drink! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2159817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Scotcho Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 I see your point, but one could reason that, expecting troubles to come, the Emperor would have sent these scouting forces out with the best equipment forced labor could produce, i.e really, really good scanners. So he may have been able to say something like, "Come over to the map here, and let me show you where I want you to start looking. Last night I had a dream that one of my sons was on this icy, feral world, in this general direction from where we are." He could have then sent said scouts out to look for an icy, feral planet in the galactic north-north-east of Terra, and they could have scanned and observed all the icy planets they cam across. This would obviously taken years, and if you notice, Gdub was very smart in not saying how long before they were reunited the Emperor had been searching for his sons. I imagine that Leman Russ was prolly one of the first ones found, seeing how close he is compared to say, Macragge. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2159821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Forgetful Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 was most displeased at the hairiest of his 20 sons was a Nordic frat boy. Got something against my kind? :) - Forgetful Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182285-how-did-the-emperor-find-russ/#findComment-2159826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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