Token Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I have a viking theamed space mariens army, using space wolves codex rules or normal marines rules, is it fluffwise possible for the marines to be in part or full successor chapter to the space wolves? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Scotcho Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Yes, it is theoretically possible for their to be an unknown Space Wolves successor, because of the gene tax thing that Mars does. I say go for it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/#findComment-2157074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share Posted October 20, 2009 Sounds good, but what is "the gene tax thing"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/#findComment-2157087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf2.3 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Basically progeniod glands can be reproduced. A space marine chapter has to surrender a fifth of its reproduced gene seed to create new marine chapters. I thought that mars stopped collecting space wolves seed because of the wolf brothers, hence why we have such large numbers but there are plenty of lost companies etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/#findComment-2157104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Sounds good, but what is "the gene tax thing"? Â IIRC Each Chapter is required to provide Gene-Seed to the Imperium for use in creating new chapters. However the only RECORDED (important word there) Space Wolf successor chapter suffered a great tragedy and the Wolf Brothers were declared excommunicate I believe. But they definitely did not survive and Space Wolf Gene-Seed was deemed too unstable for use and therefore the Wolves are officially exempt from "Gene Tithes". However we know not everything is as it seems in the 40K universe so pretty much anything's possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/#findComment-2157106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf2.3 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Basically the space marines have to surrender a fifth of all reproduced gene seed acording to fluff. I don't know how they can multiply it but it takes time. They use the seed to create new marine chapters but they syopped colecting from us because of the wolf brothers (emeror rest them). Your idea is still plausible though. I mean its a galaxy, the possibilities are endless :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/#findComment-2157108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Scotcho Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Sorry for the incorrect term, but yes it's works exactly as stated. Â As for the genetic deviancy issue, there's no reason that when they take the geneseed from a "pure" chapter that they couldn't fix the canines growing thing, but what exactly was the flaw from the Wolf Brothers? Was it the fact that our geneseed needs fenrisian genetics to make it work? Or do you think that maybe the Wolf Brothers homeworld was to blame (i.e. too much radiation, not enough radiation, not close enough to the Eye of Terror, too close to the Eye of Terror)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/#findComment-2157169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Sorry for the incorrect term, but yes it's works exactly as stated. Â As for the genetic deviancy issue, there's no reason that when they take the geneseed from a "pure" chapter that they couldn't fix the canines growing thing, but what exactly was the flaw from the Wolf Brothers? Was it the fact that our geneseed needs fenrisian genetics to make it work? Or do you think that maybe the Wolf Brothers homeworld was to blame (i.e. too much radiation, not enough radiation, not close enough to the Eye of Terror, too close to the Eye of Terror)? Â There's no explanation. The only possible explanation given is that non-Fenrisians are not capable of accepting it, but apparently that's only a theory. Â No-one really knows. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/#findComment-2157171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf2.3 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I thought that it was the curse of the wulfen. The whole Wolf Brothers succumbed to it. Maybe it was something to do with lack of wolf priests or thier parent chapter knowledge on how to manage it. You could still do wolf brothers though. Just set your battles before they were wiped out (bloody grey knights as if theres no other places to stick their fancy psycho gear) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/#findComment-2157203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Token Posted October 21, 2009 Author Share Posted October 21, 2009 Sounds good, i wanted to have a viking themed army but noticed the world of 40k allready had that. Â The wolf brothers were killed by grey knights? My fluff says my 2nd company are grey knights, mostly becaurse i don't like metall models and built my own out of plastic and wanted to be able to use my marines in a imperial guard army, and the grey knights are a way to do that. Haven't thought up much fluff about that, but in ancient times (2nd edition) there were a unit of 5 grey knight terminators fighting alongside my marines, mostly against chaos forces, throwing powerfull warp malestorms able to kill anything, when they were to return to the grey knights main chapter they had been lost in.. papers? Not sure how to explain it in English but they weren't accepted back and instead joined my marines as a start of a second company, then in time numbering about a full company size. /fluff.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/#findComment-2157977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RADU LYKAN Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 wasnt there some thing in the tales of the heresy book about the wolf brothers being men who were too old for all of the implants? i might be remembering it wrong but i can see the space wolves shedding there weakest warriors when they were asked to limit their size. perhaps the problems stemmed from the induction of older aspirants? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/#findComment-2158042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Man I Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 IIRC The Wolf Brothers suffering an unusally high rate of "The curse of the Wulfen" was the Canis Helix malfunctioning and sendng the wolf brothers transformation into over drive. And also, dont the Wolves still have to tithe gene seed for rotuine testing to ensure its purity? Not that its really enforced, more of "Hey we were in the neighborhood and was wondering if we could get our gene seed tithe?" type thing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/#findComment-2158098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 IIRC The Wolf Brothers suffering an unusally high rate of "The curse of the Wulfen" was the Canis Helix malfunctioning and sendng the wolf brothers transformation into over drive. And also, dont the Wolves still have to tithe gene seed for rotuine testing to ensure its purity? Not that its really enforced, more of "Hey we were in the neighborhood and was wondering if we could get our gene seed tithe?" type thing. Â Maybe, I can't find fluff on it which is frustrating me. A Rune Priest should never be without his tomes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/#findComment-2158107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Man I Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 I think it was the 2nd edition codex I remember reading about the Wulfen, but again that was a long time ago, when my fangs were but milk teeth ;) :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/#findComment-2158121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raulmichile Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 It has never been fully explained what really happened with the Wolf Brothers or how it happened. The only thing that it has been described is that they suffered from massive mutation rates and were disbanded shortly after their founding. Space Wolves gene seed continiues to be monitored by the Imperium but due to its inherent instability was no longer used to found new chapters since the Wolf Brothers incident. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/#findComment-2158215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Bloodwolf Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 You could also have you chapter be created from space wolf gene seed but the adepts of mars "tampered" with it to make it more stable genetically wise. Or you could just have a chapter that began on a barbarous planet and developed along the same lines as the Space Wolves. The options are really up to you and anything is possible in the 40k universe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/#findComment-2158225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhorse47 Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Or they are a company that decided to split off from the SW as has happened in the past. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/#findComment-2158245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolf2.3 Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Yeah the wolf brothers were exterminated by the grey knights. Like the fire hawks whos dene seed was corrupted the inquisition sent in their favourite heavy lads to take em out. The same happened to the wolf brothers or so i assume. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182325-space-vikings-fluff-space-wolves/#findComment-2158359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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