Brother Vidius Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Hey guys after about 3 years away from the hobby I'm looking to get back into 40K. The last army I collected was Iron Warriors so I thought it would be best to start them up again. I'm thinking of using a lot of the new Chaos termies and plenty of troops as well as a few Oblits or Preads. Just looking for some help regarding a new army. The battleforce seems the most logical choice to start with as I can use the Berzerkers for my main squads. Any help would be appreciated Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182366-returning-to-40k/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Is the battleforce the one w/ possessed ? I can't remember. The poss. are pretty useless esp for IW's. So if their in there you'll be paying for something u don't need. Other then that it might be ok. btw hvy weops in csm squads don't wk anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182366-returning-to-40k/#findComment-2157543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Get Obliterators, fluffy for Iron Warriors and they're amongst the only few good units we have. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182366-returning-to-40k/#findComment-2157631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulochromis Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Battle Force includes 15 CSM (single upgrade sprue), 5 Possessed, 8 Berzerkers, 1 Rhino. If you're heading for a strictly CSM + armour approach (ie no zerks/no possessed), it's not the best option. Cheers, Paul. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182366-returning-to-40k/#findComment-2157641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Vidius Posted October 21, 2009 Author Share Posted October 21, 2009 Thanks guys. Was thinking that I would have enough spare bolter arms so that the Berzerkers could make another 8 man squad. The Possessed could come in handy for a later project. What about Vindicators? does anyone use one and are they effective? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182366-returning-to-40k/#findComment-2157910 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickingbird Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Or do you mean the big battle force with the land raider in? If so that is deffinatly worth it as its got IW written all over it. Vindicators are good but due to the relativly short range and the fact that defilers are kick ass most people choose defilers as a better option. Fluff wise you can get away with using khorne bezerkers because of the storm of iron book, though you should have enough spair bolter arms for the zerkers if you mix and match the units. Good choice with IW btw, thats what I did when I got back in last year :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182366-returning-to-40k/#findComment-2157950 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chillin Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Was thinking that I would have enough spare bolter arms so that the Berzerkers could make another 8 man squad.What about Vindicators? does anyone use one and are they effective? As bird sz IW's can have brzrkrs b/c of the Honsou books Also in their old IA or C:csm 3.5 (can't remember which) they could have brzrkrs. I would buy an sprue of csm heads though and use reg heads not the bunnyears and paint them in IW's theme not red & bronze, thery are supposed to be IW's breach attackers not WE's. I don't like vindi's, that short range + 11 side armor usually means they will get only 1 shot. Then opponent has shot at side armor, or will be in melta gun range next turn. I tried them 5 or 6 games and in only 1 game did it get more then 1 or 2 shots max, they also no good vs mech armies and there alot of those out there now. Every other chaos HS choice is better IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182366-returning-to-40k/#findComment-2158195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiemnex Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Zerkers are very fluffy. Storm of Iron I think the first 50 or so pages include them a lot. Oblitz CSM squads.. I even think chosen are a bit fluffy Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182366-returning-to-40k/#findComment-2158226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corpse. Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 Many categories of things for chaos. Its a splash of many multi-taskers that take one task at a time. Vindicators fall more among the "when its needed most against termi armies or insta death required vs necrons" and so on category. Also, its great for taking attention from everything else, especially that 200+ point unit inside a rhino right next to it. 125 pts, or 35 pts and exposing your men too soon? It has its uses. Tougher then a defiler in some ways, all shooting or moving 12" and being hit on 6's in melee when it comes to that. If all else fails and the cannon is gone, tank shock and ram their vehicles with a front AV13 tank. If you want more "heavy supports" our elites can pack 3 terminators with a land raider bonus package option. So you can feel like the four heavy support iron warrior player you used to be. (or six) Keep adding questions, we'll help you out. I don't think possessed are bad, but I come from a gaming location where facing mind war and wraithlord spam is common to remove my powerfist champ asap then charge me. By RAW they "gain" a power weapon when you roll a 6. As its the only roll that adds "wargear" if you re-read their rules. An icon of khorne = 5 attacks each on the charge. (2 base, 1 for 2 CCW when rolling a 6, +1 charge, +1 from icon, all strength 5 attacks) If not that, you can at least try to get rending or furious charge for decent anti vehicle melee. Though possessed bodies make great champion torsos and HQ torsos if you rather not field them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182366-returning-to-40k/#findComment-2158287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 21, 2009 Share Posted October 21, 2009 By RAW they "gain" a power weapon when you roll a 6. As its the only roll that adds "wargear" if you re-read their rules. An icon of khorne = 5 attacks each on the charge.If not that, you can at least try to get rending or furious charge for decent anti vehicle melee. the is the most absurd interpretation of possessed table I have ever seen . also there is no way of "trying" to get rending/FC . its a roll its random and most of the time it does nothing to help blow up tanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182366-returning-to-40k/#findComment-2158370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Vidius Posted October 21, 2009 Author Share Posted October 21, 2009 Thanks for all the help guys. Was in my local GW today and had a game. Luck was smiling on me as I've never rolled so many 6's in my life :D Yep I knew about them from Storm of Iron but I'd rather not field them at all just never ever thought they suited the fluff that much. Pay day on Friday so I'll be getting the codex and we'll see where it goes from there. Looked out my old stuff today so I have a Daemon Prince and 2 squads of marines as well as a Lieutenant so got the basis of the army all ready :cuss Shall paint up a mini to try and get the feel for it again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182366-returning-to-40k/#findComment-2158762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
incinerator950 Posted October 22, 2009 Share Posted October 22, 2009 Thanks for all the help guys.Was in my local GW today and had a game. Luck was smiling on me as I've never rolled so many 6's in my life :P Yep I knew about them from Storm of Iron but I'd rather not field them at all just never ever thought they suited the fluff that much. Pay day on Friday so I'll be getting the codex and we'll see where it goes from there. Looked out my old stuff today so I have a Daemon Prince and 2 squads of marines as well as a Lieutenant so got the basis of the army all ready :D Shall paint up a mini to try and get the feel for it again. Lieutenants don't exist anymore, so just make him a sorcerer/lord for later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182366-returning-to-40k/#findComment-2158932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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