Adding a Wolf Guard to packs

[Wolf Lord Mjolnir]

Ok first off can everyone reread the SW codex under the Wolf Guard entry and familairise yourself with the wording for joining packs.

 

Then, read the troop section where it talks about if your pack number 10 MODELS then you can have an extra special weapon for free (if you already have one).

 

My question is does a Wolf Guard contribute to the size of the pack for special weapon purposes?

 

The Wolf Guard joins the pack before the game even starts and does not join it like independent characters - he JOINS the pack.

 

Just wondering and would be interested in your learned views.

 

Mjol

 

ps I am not trying to be beardy just sprung to mind when making my latest list.

[Hfran Morkai]

This has been discussed heavily, search is your friend. I believe not as you don't attach the models in the list building phase, they're attached after your list is picked and then you set up for deployment by seconding out pack leaders to packs.

 

Also as further evidence is the White Dwarf Article, a 9 man Grey Hunter pack with a Wolf Guard pack leader attached only has one special weapon.

[JamesI]

White Dwarfs are a poor source of evidence as the battle reports often have illegal units.

 

Ignoring that, Mikal is right. When you make your list you have 9 Grey Hunters. The Wolf Guard is added later, and does not need to be added every game. He is not a part of the unit when it is time to select special weapons.

[Dark Bjoern]

I don´t know the exact wording of the english ´dex, but the german one speakes about 10 Grey Hunter not models. So an attached WG would not count.

[Hfran Morkai]

White Dwarfs are a poor source of evidence as the battle reports often have illegal units.

 

Ignoring that, Mikal is right. When you make your list you have 9 Grey Hunters. The Wolf Guard is added later, and does not need to be added every game. He is not a part of the unit when it is time to select special weapons.

 

So surely they would have taken advantage of a second special weapon for free? Just seems to me if they thought that was the case he would have gone for it.

 

And Dark Bjoern: That's interesting. The English one simply says models but the Wolf Guard isn't a part of the pack to begin with.

[Wolf Lord Mjolnir]

Thank you for the responses.

 

I think the wording in the english codex should be reworded to 10 Grey Hunters and not models to avoid any confusion - maybe in the reprint in another nine years time :huh:

[Hfran Morkai]

Thank you for the responses.

 

I think the wording in the english codex should be reworded to 10 Grey Hunters and not models to avoid any confusion - maybe in the reprint in another nine years time :huh:

 

I believe you're right there. The translators got the right idea with being specific.

 

Also another thing people have thrown up is you can choose between having two special weapons if the pack is at 9+WG but you can't then count that WG as part of the WG pack for determining heavy weapon numbers, that's a compromise I'm happy to let people choose. Because most would go for the heavy weapons all the time.

[LPetersson]

I don´t know the exact wording of the english ´dex, but the german one speakes about 10 Grey Hunter not models. So an attached WG would not count.

 

That's very interesting.

Would you mind quoting that section in it's german form?

[Dark Bjoern]

Wenn das Rudel 10 Graumähnen umfasst, darf eine zweite Graumähne ihren Bolter ohne weitere Punktekosten durch eine der drei oben genannten Optionen ersetzen.

[El Scotcho]

Not that I doubted you, but being as how I don't know any German, I ran it through babelfish, and it is indeed worded like that. So now I know a little more German than just food and drink items.

[Max_Dammit]

For met this is an open and shut case, the 2nd heavy is ment to be taken when you take 10 GH's, dont even get why people read it any diffrent. the WG is only part of the unit after the list has been made and even than.

[Ragnar Blood Giver]

For met this is an open and shut case, the 2nd heavy is ment to be taken when you take 10 GH's, dont even get why people read it any diffrent. the WG is only part of the unit after the list has been made and even than.

 

this is correct a pack is 5-10 GH's with the WG added making 11, and it's free what you take from the list. so 2 flamers or 2 melta or 2 plasma or a combination of these.