Brother Tyler Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 MODELING & PAINTING It’s now time to develop the images that will be used on the downloadable datasheets that will be created for each of the datasheets that qualified in Stage 1.QUALIFIED DATASHEETS While a lot of hard work and effort went into the datasheets entered in Stage 1 of the competition, only a handful received the required marks of 7 or higher by both the panel of judges and the rest of the membership in order to qualify for Stage 2. These were: Adepta Sororitas Convocation Knight Paladin Titan Space Marine Vengeance Force Spear of Russ Tide of Decay War of Faith Each of these datasheets will be included in Stage 2. In addition, these datasheets will be worked into an upcoming Eye of Terror campaign project to be published at a later date at the Liber Bellum site.All members of the Bolter & Chainsword are encouraged to participate in Stage 2 by modeling and painting models suitable for representing one or more of the qualified datasheets listed above. Note that it is not necessary to have participated in Stage 1 of this contest in order to participate in Stage 2 – anyone may enter models for Stage 2.The only caveat is that those members whose datasheets qualified for Stage 2 may only submit images for other datasheets if they submit images for all of their own that qualified in this stage. For example, Firenze created the Knight Paladin Titan. If Firenze wants to submit images for the Spear of Russ datasheet, he must first submit images for the Knight Paladin Titan.IMPORTANT!Members aren’t required to paint up all of the models possible in a unit. We’ll be using the same image cloning techniques that Games Workshop has used for its datasheets, so members are only required to submit images for a certain number of minimum models as determined for each sheet. Members are only required to submit images for each of the required unit types, with the same unit images being suitable for all instances where that unit is in the formation. The minimum unit size (per the datasheet, if applicable, or per the codex if no minimum size is given on the datasheet) is the minimum requirement – there’s no reason to max the unit size out. In addition, since Games Workshop has cloned images within the same squad, we’ll do the same thing. So we’ll allow images of models to work for up to three models in the unit. Example: If a formation included four Space Marine Tactical squads, the squad would only have to be painted one time and would only have to consist of 1 Sergeant (must stand out as a Sergeant), 1 special weapon Space Marine, 1 heavy weapon Space Marine, and 4 standard Space Marines. The remaining 3 standard Space Marines would be created by cloning the 4 standard Space Marines (probably cloning different ones in each instance of the Tactical squad pictured on the datasheet). The same Tactical squad would be cloned for each of the four times it appears on the datasheet, putting the images of the models in different spots in order to change things up a bit.And before anyone gets worried, I’m going to spell out the minimum requirements for each of the qualified datasheets at the end of this post. SUBMISSIONS & DEADLINE Members will save these images in their own Private Bolter & Chainsword galleries*, and each image must be no wider than 700 pixels and no taller than 1000 pixels. Members will submit all images to Brother Tyler by PM, including the URL of each image in the message.Deadline for image submission is midnight EST on Saturday 28 November, 2009. This means you have about five weeks.*If you’re not sure how to create/use your own private B&C gallery, check out the Bolter & Chainsword 101 or contact me.VOTING Winners will be selected by popular vote. Once I have all of the entries, I will post them in a discussion. Members will then have 1 week to discuss the entries and to submit their votes.Votes will be submitted by PM to me, with each member selecting the 1 entry for each of the qualified datasheets that they think should be used. Members may not vote for their own entry (if they submit one). For each datasheet, the entry with the most votes wins and will be used on the datasheet.In addition, as with Stage 1 of the contest, the winners will be allowed to use special signature banners bragging about their accomplishment while participants will also be allowed to use special signatures displaying their participation in this community event.MINIMUM MODEL REQUIREMENTS Models must be appropriate to the datasheet – meaning they must be of the appropriate scale and representation (e.g., no using the old Epic models to represent the Knight, the models for the Space Wolf datasheet must be Space Wolves – no DIY Chapter using Codex: Space Wolves, etc.).Please, no editing in nifty effects such as lightning bolts, backgrounds, etc. The only image editing allowed will be to turn backgrounds transparent (because you’ll be saving me the hassle of having to do that myself).ADEPTA SORORITAS CONVOCATION1 Heroine (Canoness) 1 Heroine (Prioress Militant – must be different from the Canoness) 1 Heroine (Prioress Dialogus) 1 Heroine (Prioress Famulous) 1 Heroine (Prioress Hospitaller) 1 Celestian Squad consisting of:1 Veteran Superior 1 Standard Bearer (may use an imagifer/signifier) 3 Celestians KNIGHT PALADINThis one should need no explanation.SPACE MARINE VENGEANCE FORCE(Codex: Space Marines) 1 Captain, and one of the following:1 Terminator squad consisting of:1 TerminatorSergeant 3 Terminators [*]1 Terminator Assault squad consisting of 3 Terminators [*]1 Sternguard Veteran squad consisting of 3 Veterans [*]1 Vanguard Veteran squad consisting of 3 Veterans (Codex: Black Templars) 1 Black Templars Hero, and one of the following:1 Sword Brother Terminator squad consisting of 3 Terminators 1 Terminator Assault squad consisting of 3 Terminators 1 Sword Brother squad consisting of 3 Sword Brothers (Codex: Blood Angels) 1 Captain, and one of the following:1 Terminator squad consisting of:1 Sergeant 3 Terminators [*]1 Terminator Assault squad consisting of 3 Terminators [*]1 Veteran Assault squad consisting of: 1 Sergeant 3 Veterans (Codex: Dark Angels – “Greenwing/Multiwing”) 1 Company Master, and one of the following:1 Deathwing Terminator squad consisting of:1 Sergeant 3 Terminators [*]1 Company Veterans Squad consisting of: 1 Veteran Sergeant 3 Veterans [*]1 Ravenwing Attack Squadron consisting of: 1 Ravenwing Sergeant 2 Ravenwing Bikers (Codex: Dark Angels – Deathwing) 1 Master of the Deathwing 1 Deathwing Terminator squad consisting of:1 Sergeant 3 Terminators (Codex: Dark Angels – Ravenwing) 1 Master of the Ravenwing 1 Ravenwing Attack Squadron consisting of:1 Ravenwing Sergeant 2 Ravenwing Bikers (Codex: Space Wolves) Wolf Lord, and one of the following:1 Wolf Guard pack consisting of 3 Wolf Guard 1 Wolf Scouts pack consisting of 3 Wolf Scouts SPEAR OF RUSS 1 Wolf Lord 1 Deathstorm Drop Pod 1 Grey Hunters pack consisting of 3 Grey Hunters 1 Drop Pod TIDE OF DECAY Great Unclean One, or Herald of Nurgle, or Daemon Prince (must be clearly Nurglesque) 1 Plaguebearer pack consisting of 3 Plaguebearers WAR OF FAITH 1 Canoness 1 Celestian Squad consisting of:1 Veteran Superior 1 Standard Bearer (may use an imagifer/signifier) 3 Celestians [*]1 Priest [*]1 Battle Sisters squad consisting of: 1 Veteran Superior 3 Battle Sisters [*]1 Seraphim squad consisting of: 1 Veteran Superior 3 Seraphim [*]1 Retributor squad consisting of: 1 Veteran Superior 3 Retributors If anyone notices any discrepancies above, please let me know immediately so that I can make the necessary corrections and players aren’t caught off-guard at the last minute. UNQUALIFIED DATASHEETS The other datasheets that didn’t qualify for Stage 2 may be re-worked for a follow-on to Stage 2. This re-working should be conducted now, with the discussions being re-opened for that express purpose. If developed suitably, these datasheets might also be worked into the Eye of Terror campaign project to be published at a later date at the Liber Bellum site. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
I AM THE AWESOME Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Hmm, I'll consider making one. Oh, and it's "Tide of Decay", not "Tide of War" like you wrote under minimum requirements. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2160217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
W.A.Rorie Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 Oh, and it's "Tide of Decay", not "Tide of War" like you wrote under minimum requirements. But in the 40k universe there is only WAR good now I don't have to paint 100 models :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2160237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 I was worried there for a moment, I only have five DPs..... *sighs*. Well, now I just need to finish the painting on a couple models and get a Digicamera from... somewhere. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2160579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted October 23, 2009 Share Posted October 23, 2009 So 5 weeks to get the titan done? Fine. And I like how I was used for the example :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2161458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted October 24, 2009 Author Share Posted October 24, 2009 ...I like how I was used for the example :( Well, the Knight is actually the most difficult to get done. Each of the other datasheets has a minimum requirement that is pretty easy to accomplish in the time allowed - the Knight will take some construction. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2161547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuNCHBiZZLe Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 Cool I got 5 weeks to strip and paint a tide of decay maybe that will be motivation to get my damn mono nurgle army done. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2161842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted October 24, 2009 Share Posted October 24, 2009 ...I like how I was used for the example :) Well, the Knight is actually the most difficult to get done. Each of the other datasheets has a minimum requirement that is pretty easy to accomplish in the time allowed - the Knight will take some construction. :) And it is. It was one of my entries into the Call of the B&C. But I now have to paint it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2162092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Richard Posted October 26, 2009 Share Posted October 26, 2009 I have seen different setups of photos of figures based on groups and formations.. is there a set style we are looking for? What is preferred? Dynamic entry in dramatic poses: Traditional Datasheet lineup: Photo from above formation: Not sure how to submit just a single pic that would provide a proper display and still evoke the name of the datasheet formation, and still work for your editing and pasting. Thanks for the guidance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2164438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share Posted October 26, 2009 Each model individually, please. This will allow me to make backgrounds transparent and arrange clones so that each instance is a little different from the other instances. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2164759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I had a thought. Could we do a piece of artwork for it? I have a good idea for my Knight titan image. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2168460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 How many official datasheets have the formation represented by (2d) artwork? How many have the formation represented by actual models? Feel free to supplement pictures of the model(s) with (2d) artwork if you want, but the contest is for the actual models. Is the reality of converting an accurate Knight Paladin Titan sinking in? To be honest, that was the one part where I assessed a weakness with the datasheet - converting an appropriate model is at least an order of magnitude more difficult that collecting most of the other units submitted on datasheets for the contest. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2168493 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 How many official datasheets have the formation represented by (2d) artwork? How many have the formation represented by actual models? Feel free to supplement pictures of the model(s) with (2d) artwork if you want, but the contest is for the actual models. Is the reality of converting an accurate Knight Paladin Titan sinking in? To be honest, that was the one part where I assessed a weakness with the datasheet - converting an appropriate model is at least an order of magnitude more difficult that collecting most of the other units submitted on datasheets for the contest. Ok thanks I wont do the artwork. And Tyler, I have a Knight already. I just need to paint it. This is it here: It just needs the paint job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2168510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 That thing looks a lil bigger than a warhound. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2169145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted October 31, 2009 Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 I continue to receive questions, so here is a little clarification. For those datasheets that include formations of units, each model should be submitted as a separate image. My suggestion here is that you either have a consistent setup so that images are the same size (i.e., keep your camera in a fixed position and use the same mark for placement of minis) or you take a single image that includes all of the models spaced sufficiently apart to allow you to splice each into its own image. If at all possible, minimize the background. Placing a white sheet of paper behind the models works, as do a number of other tricks. This will facilitate the removal of the background for later use. If you have the capability to turn backgrounds transparent (i.e., you have Photoshop or a similar image editing program, or are willing to put in the time to turn all background white in Microsoft Paint or a similar low end image editing program). Crop as much of the wasted space/background from the image as possible. There is some confusion on the minimum requirements, with some interpreting those requirements as affecting the squad size. I may have articulated this poorly, so I'm giving it another go. We're going to use the same image cloning as GW, with each model submitted being able to represent up to 3 models. In most cases this will allow us to represent squads at the maximum size. Squads still follow the normal size restrictions/requirements as dictated in the appropriate codex, unless otherwise specified in the datasheet. For our purposes, each squad will be at the max size when depicted on the datasheet (unless the formation specifies otherwise or the minimum requirements I've outlined above don't allow for enough models). Here's a rundown of examples, based on a fictional datasheet. Let's say that one of the datasheets is for a formation of Grey Knights in power armour. Regardless of whatever else is in the formation, the formation requires a minimum of 3 Grey Knights squads, each including one psycannon and one incinerator. The minimum required models for the Grey Knights squad would be a Justicar, a Grey Knight with an Incinerator, a Grey Knight with a Psycannon, and 3 Grey Knights with Nemesis Force Weapons. If I were painting minis for this datasheet I might submit images as follows (with exceptions as noted below). Justicar: Incinerator: Psycannon: Grey Knights with Storm Bolter and Nemesis Force Weapon: If you're impressed with the quality of the painting, don't be. I just copied the images from Games Workshop's website to use in this example. I didn't paint the minis. You'll also notice two things. First, the colored circles behind the regular Grey Knights. Ignore those. They wouldn't be in your images. I'm going to use those in the next part of the example. Also, I've turned the backgrounds transparent. Your images may or may not include this depending on your resources. So let's say that those images won and were chosen to represent our fictional Grey Knights formation. For the three or more squads of Grey Knights required by the formation, I'd combine the images in different patterns for each version, resulting in something like: Squad 1: Squad 2: Squad 3: The colored circles serve to illustrate how individual models will be cloned within the same unit, each representing up to a total of three models within that unit. Don't worry, the colored circles won't be in your images or in the formations on the datasheet. As I've said before, members are more than welcome to paint more than the minimum required number of models, reducing the amount of image cloning that takes place if it turns out that their images win and are used on the datasheet. You might paint up individual models to represent each of the models in the squad, or even individual squads. As long as you submit the minimum required number of models for the formation, you're eligible (and if you're one of the members that created one of the eligible datasheets, you have to paint up the minis to represent your datasheets before you can submit images for other datasheets). Also, please don't post images of your minis anywhere until after the voting is done. I'd like to keep the creators anonymous until after people have voted. You can create a Private gallery of your own here at the B&C for this purpose. Hopefully that has cleared things up a bit, but don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2170225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bannus Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 How many official datasheets have the formation represented by (2d) artwork? A fare number actually - 3 in Apoc book alone - the Warlord Titan among them. But that wouldn't be as much fun as seeing them built. :angry: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2170252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted October 31, 2009 Author Share Posted October 31, 2009 Going through the Apocalypse Rulebook, Apocalypse Reload, and Imperial Armour Apocalypse, the only official datasheet I could find that wasn't represented by an actual model was the Warlord Battle Titan. There are probably a fair few of those that are available as downloads that either have no models pictured or have 2d artwork in place of models, but I'm not considering those. This project, however, requires painted models to represent the formation. The reason for this is to demonstrate usability. It's really easy to come up with a lot of wild datasheet ideas that will never be used, but I wanted to see datasheets that might actually be used. If a model is such a pain to create that the creator of the datasheet isn't willing to buy/convert a model, then the creator should probably have created a different datasheet. In fact, any future Apocalypse datasheet competitions will include the requirement that the formation be represented by accurately painted models. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2170484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 Yesterday was the last day to submit entries for the contest. Had I not just returned from a little road trip, I'd have posted that in a more timely manner. Sorry for being a bit late. More on the entries tomorrow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2199877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 So... whats up? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2214802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firenze Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 Yeah, Im still wondering too. Whos got their pics on the datasheets? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2214899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 Sorry for the delay, guys. There was a problem with one of the images which is being resolved, but I'm away on a business trip, so I'm unable to attend to the issue right now. I hope to take care of the issue very soon (like this weekend) and move forward. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2217799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Its ok, Im just interested in this project and didnt want it to stall out. Life happens, and delays are ok, just dont let it die lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2218075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted December 27, 2009 Author Share Posted December 27, 2009 Sorry for the delay, but that final picture hasn't been fixed. I've given the member a couple of days to get it fixed or we'll move ahead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2227617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catheras Posted January 2, 2010 Share Posted January 2, 2010 Happy new year ! How is the picture fixing getting along, i have been checking this thread every day now awaiting a result. Would be nice to get some updates on progress :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2232323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted January 4, 2010 Author Share Posted January 4, 2010 My apologies for the continued delay. The other member wasn't able to come through with pictures, so it's time to move forward. First, the level of participation in this stage was very disappointing. There were a total of four entries, one of which needed to be fixed, so we're down to three entries. Since each of these entries is for a different datasheet, they all win by default. Congratulations to our winners. Here they are: Brother Richard submitted images for the Space Marine Vengeance Force. You can see them at: Here is the Marshall The Marshal's Terminator Command Squad SB Sgt SB Brother w/ Assault Cannon x2 Veteran of a hundred wars SB Standard SBs to fill out the squad Then we have the Sword Brethren in Terminator Armor at least a squad of these. SB Sgt SB Brother w/ Assault Cannon SB Brother w/ heavy flamer Standard SBs to fill out the squad I would add a close combat group in TDA, but I just don’t have many painted to a decent standard yet. If you could possibly do me a favor and not use the plasma gunner from my first list, instead add this special melta. I think it would be very appropriate for the Apoc force to be guided by this special veteran. Veteran Brother LeBanc Firenze submitted images for his Knight Paladin Titan. You can see them at: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...i&img=40027 Catheras submitted the images for the War of Faith. You can see the images at: Cannonesshttp://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4282_24820.jpg Battle Sister Superior http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4282_34109.jpg Battle Sisters http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4282_29207.jpg http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4282_29414.jpg http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4282_21396.jpg http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4282_27980.jpg http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads...4_4282_4244.jpg http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4282_16949.jpg http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads...4_4282_9789.jpg Celestian Superior http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4282_34490.jpg Celestians http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads...4_4282_7682.jpg http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4282_17065.jpg http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads...4_4282_4465.jpg http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads...4_4282_7561.jpg http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4282_15770.jpg Banner Bearer http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4282_22115.jpg Priest http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4282_17792.jpg Retributor Superior http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4282_25384.jpg Retributors http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4282_24976.jpg http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads...4_4282_1717.jpg For Retributors without heavy weapons, just use Battle Sisters or/and Celestians. Seraphim Superior http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads...84_4282_986.jpg Seraphims http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4282_29079.jpg http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads...4_4282_9530.jpg http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads...4_4282_7267.jpg http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads..._4282_12620.jpg http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads...4_4282_3178.jpg Again, congratulations to our winners on a job well done. I'll post the images that each of our winners will be able to use as their awards for winning soon (they're on my laptop, so I'll have to upload them). I'll also be turning each of these datasheets into downloadable products soon. For the other datasheets that made it this far but which didn't have images submitted, I'll take care of those later. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/182620-apocalypse-eye-of-terror/#findComment-2234078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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