Tempest Wraith

[Omen-maul]

I was Curious about Drop pods landing inside the area effect of Tempest Wraith...

Tempest Wraith effects Deep Striking units ...so do models disembarking from a drop ..are they considered as deep striking models??would they suffer dangerous terrain tests?

[the great beaver]

no but the drop pod would.

[muzzyman1981]

Correct....the Drop Pod would take a dangerous terrain test but the unit would not.

[Hfran Morkai]

I'm interested actually, because the power mentions deep-striking units that end their move within 24 inches of the Rune Priest, they seem to meet the requirements but it seems a bit harsh to make the drop pod make a test and then the disembarking unit take a test.

[hilander]

Using Inquisitorial Mystics free shot as an analogy we could say that the disembarking unit should take the test as well, but unfortunately their rules are explicitly faq'ed...so at the moment with our wrath it is only drop pod that makes the test, at least this is how I see it;)

[muzzyman1981]

Well its the actual model/unit that Deep Strikes which is the Drop Pod that is deep striking, not the unit, they are merely riding in the vehicle.

[Hfran Morkai]

Well its the actual model/unit that Deep Strikes which is the Drop Pod that is deep striking, not the unit, they are merely riding in the vehicle.

 

It's debateable. I'm tempted to agree with you but this is not as clear cut as some of the questions I've seen on here.

[muzzyman1981]

The unit inside the Drop Pod merely disembark from a transport the did the Deep Striking, they don't actually Deep Strike themselves...they are protected inside the transport.

[Hfran Morkai]

The unit inside the Drop Pod merely disembark from a transport the did the Deep Striking, they don't actually Deep Strike themselves...they are protected inside the transport.

 

Righty-ho. That's good enough explanation for me, I'm just saying that we could easily expect a huge debate over this one but as I said from my first post that it doesn't seem right to do anyway.

[muzzyman1981]

True enough, which is to be expected in any new codex. Very tough for many many people to tell how GW thinks about something like this. Can only wait till they FAQ it.

[Kadesworld]

But if we go by past rulings in the Dark Angels FAQ, its says that models in drop pods cannot assault the turn that they deep strike because they are deploying by deep striking and deep striking units cannot assault. So based on that i would say yes the unit takes a dangerous terrain test as well as the drop pod

[whitewolfmxc]

there is no purpose for a drop pod to take a dangerous test , its already automatically immobilize once touch down (unless now you say two immobilize gets you a weapon destroyed result , dont know if that works , but i would say it might lol ), and units deep striking through a pod still counts as deep striking or how else would it be told that they cant assault because they just deep striked ?

[Bullet_magnet]

there is no purpose for a drop pod to take a dangerous test , its already automatically immobilize once touch down (unless now you say two immobilize gets you a weapon destroyed result , dont know if that works , but i would say it might lol ), and units deep striking through a pod still counts as deep striking or how else would it be told that they cant assault because they just deep striked ?

if an immobilized vehicle suffers a further immobilized result the result would go to a weapon destroyed result, yes. it would be nice to attempt get rid of any missile launcher upgrades or even that pesky storm bolter....

 

OT: for fairness sake I'd go with the drop pod alone needs to test.

[Grey Mage]

Id say RAW the DP alone takes the test.

 

I could see by the fluff both taking the test though... and possible RAW arguments for it.

[Oldenhaller]

The rulebook is a little unclear on things, it states thaat they cannot assault after they deepstrike (refering to models who have arrived via deepstrike in the normal fasion) in the same sentance as mentioning transport vehicles. However as the drop pod is open topped models inside would normally get to assault on the turn they arrived if they were not classed as deepstriking....so why the specific rule for the drop pod to say they can't if they already count as deepstriking and thus unable to?

 

My mind, they're exiting a deepstiking vehicle any terrain is fine for the passengers as the pod deep struck (ouch....very bad english sorry) rather than them as they were just passengers.

 

~O

[Valerian]

Id say RAW the DP alone takes the test.

 

I could see by the fluff both taking the test though... and possible RAW arguments for it.

 

 

Here is my take on it.

 

1. The models are in a vehicle (the Drop Pod), when they enter the difficult/dangerous terrain, so just like a unit in any other transport (a Rhino, for example), the folks inside do not make a test, but the vehicle does (and if a 1 is rolled on a d6, the vehicle becomes immobilized).

 

2. Once the Drop Pod lands and the unit inside disembarks, the squad is now safely on the ground and can move freely as other ground-based infantry that do not suffer effects from the Tempests Wrath.

 

3. Having arrived via a vehicle that conducted a Deep Strike, the models inside do not get to charge into an assault on the turn that they arrive (I believe that this isse was FAQed at some point, and the ruling represented the thinking that the vehicle had essentially moved more than 12" that turn). After disembarking, the unit can either shoot or Run, and that's it for the turn.

 

4. Other than its ability to conduct a Deep Strike deployment to the table, a Drop Pod is considered an Immobile vehicle. If the Drop Pod rolls a 1 on its dangerous terrain test, it would become immobilized; however, this has no real effect on the Drop Pod as it is an Immobile vehicle upon landing anyway. If a future glancing or penetrating hit occurs which causes an immobilized result, then a weapon is destroyed instead. Simply landing does not count as a second immobilized result, however, as it is has not received any additional damage, rather, it has simply settled into it's natural state as a vehicle with no ability to move after having landed.

 

 

Some may disagree, but this is how I'm going to play it; no reason to try and complicate an issue does not need to be.

 

Valerian

[nurglespuss]

I really don't see the debate here....

 

Q: What is deep striking?

A: The drop pod.

 

Q: Is the unit deep striking?

A: No

 

Q: Why isn't the unit deep striking?

A: because the vehicle deep struck.

 

Q: What happens to the unit then?

A: It exits the vehicle, sometime AFTER the vehicl has deep struck.

 

Q: So the unit plays no part in the deep striking event?

A: Correct, its all the drop pod (as indicated by its very design, name and description).

[Hfran Morkai]

Well that seriously reduces the effectiveness of this power, I was at least hoping it would potentially destroy the pod, taking out a storm bolter or deathwind missile launcher doesn't seem that great, I'll still be taking it however

[JamesI]

GW has ruled that units in drop pods count as deep striking before. Its possible Tempest applies to the people inside the drop pod.

[Hfran Morkai]

I take it wouldn't count as being open topped until after the test is taken? Because if so that would make it destroyed if it failed due to adding one to the result.

[Omen-maul]

ok from the dark angels FAQ

 

Q. Can troops deploying from a Dark Angels

Drop Pod assault on the turn it lands? Unlike

the Space Marines and Black Templars codexes,

it does not state you cannot.

A. No the embarked troops can’t assault, as they

have deployed by deep strike that turn and

troops that deep strike can’t assault.

 

plus in the space marine codex it refers to the unit as deep striking via Drop Pod

[nurglespuss]

Thats fine.. I'm not saying the unit is subject to deep striking rules etc. What I am saying, is what is 'on' the tabletop to be affected by the power, the deep striking drop pod, nothing else.

[Stormbrow II]

ok from the dark angels FAQ

 

Q. Can troops deploying from a Dark Angels

Drop Pod assault on the turn it lands? Unlike

the Space Marines and Black Templars codexes,

it does not state you cannot.

A. No the embarked troops can’t assault, as they

have deployed by deep strike that turn and

troops that deep strike can’t assault.

So they're both deepstriking? That's double penetration right?

[nurglespuss]

Ah, your my new favourite :)

[Lokkan Of The Long Hall]

We always treat drop pods as skimmers in terms of dangerous terrain, I don't know if that's an official thing or just an interpretation, but it would make sense.