Logan + Long Fangs + Assault

[Rindaris]

Ok.. so I'm 95% sold on switching to the Space Wolves codex for my Deathwatch. And using Logan in a pod with some Long Fangs.

 

But I just thought of something.

 

Ok.. lets assume I use Relentless that turn, so my Long Fangs can move, fire and assault. Now the Long Fangs split their fire between 2 targets, can they still assault? I mean they would be assaulting a unit they fired at, but in another way they wouldn't be.

 

Or maybe I just read something wrong... always a possibility.

[Oldenhaller]

hmmm...very interesting question.

 

the two pertinent bits would be relentless - states that you can fire heavy weapons and then assault and who you can assault - specifically states you can only assault someone you've shot at. This being the case I'd say that so long as you're picking one of the units you've shot to assault then you're covering all of those caveats.

 

If people are happy with that summation i'll add it to the FAQ?

 

~O

[Rindaris]

Thats what I thought and was hoping to hear. But getting a second opinion seemed important in this question, with what I had in mind. Thanks for the answer <_<

[Oldenhaller]

:)

 

np

 

~O

[Grimfoe]

I'm also planning on using Logan in a pod with Long Fangs, but I think you're mistaken if you think you can assault on turn 1. Even though they are relentless, you still can not assault after disembarking a drop pod. You could assault after shooting in turn 2 if you chose relentless again, but you'd have to forgo using a different ability such as tank hunter, etc.

 

I may be reading your post wrong, perhaps this is exactly what you intended.

[JamesI]

Grimfoe is correct. Relentless does not override the restriction on assaulting out of a drop pod.

 

Otherwise, I think Oldenhaller is correct.

[Rindaris]

Oh, I know that. I was asking for further turns.

 

Here is my idea.. since I have to face alot of people with rhinos and RBs.

 

Pod in, split fire to ideally pop them both. They would be foolish to charge the unit in response, unless it was a command squad with a IC of their own, or the like.

 

The following turn Logan (being part of the Long Fangs unit) could fire his storm bolter at one unit, the rest could fire at another (5 meltas and a AssCan Wolf Guard... stuff dies...), now since Logan was part of the squad and fired at the other unit, they charge that unit. Slightly evil idea.. and likely I'd use it very little outside of tourneys, but as far as I can tell completely legal.

[JamesI]

Seems legal to me.

[Oldenhaller]

From turn two - yup, no problem.

 

For the isssues of if the podding great wolf applies his bennies or not there's a fair old discussion on it which can be found here

 

Will be putting it in the FAQ as one of the clarifications - working on the thunderwolf mounts at the moment :)

 

Regards

 

~O

[LPetersson]

Oh, I know that. I was asking for further turns.

 

Here is my idea.. since I have to face alot of people with rhinos and RBs.

 

Pod in, split fire to ideally pop them both. They would be foolish to charge the unit in response, unless it was a command squad with a IC of their own, or the like.

 

The following turn Logan (being part of the Long Fangs unit) could fire his storm bolter at one unit, the rest could fire at another (5 meltas and a AssCan Wolf Guard... stuff dies...), now since Logan was part of the squad and fired at the other unit, they charge that unit. Slightly evil idea.. and likely I'd use it very little outside of tourneys, but as far as I can tell completely legal.

 

Sweet Emperor, that's a great idea. and to make it even harder, add a Wolf Guard with CML to it...

[Rindaris]

Sweet Emperor, that's a great idea. and to make it even harder, add a Wolf Guard with CML to it...

 

The unit could only have 1 Wolf Guard with it, and I'd already have one with a Assault Cannon. And even if it could have more then one, with a full Lonf Fangs squad and Logan, you couldn't fit a 2nd WG in the unit anyways and fit in the Pod.

[Oldenhaller]

if in doubt add arjak....he makes everything more fun ^_^

 

~O

[Grimfoe]

if in doubt add arjak....he makes everything more fun ;)

 

~O

 

That's pretty pricy, but it would be fun... ^_^

[Rindaris]

if in doubt add arjak....he makes everything more fun ^_^

 

~O

 

While it would definitely make the unit deadilier, it would make it ALOT pricier to. Right now its pretty reasonable, besides the cost of Logan himself. Plus there is a part of me that misses TDA AssCans. I stopped using them when the allotment of them in TDA units got nerfed in 5th Ed.

 

Edit: Decided to give them a squad leader with a meltagun. This has 2 advantages. If I play against someone that disagrees with being able to use Logan's ability off the table on the turn he pods in, I can still have one meltagun and one AssCan to fire upon landing. The other advantage is if they don't, or I just don't need to split my fire on following rounds... thats another melta weapon to fire. Win/win. Thoughts?

[Grimfoe]

That's how I would run the unit. LF with 5 multi-meltas and one melta gun. Maybe throw a WGPL in there with a combi melta as well.

[Rindaris]

Unless I am missing something, having a Wolf Guard in TDA with an AssCan is the limit to the WGs I could put with the Long Fangs.... now if I could put more then one in there, I would. But I'm pretty sure I can't.

[Oldenhaller]

nope. one's your limit for regular wolf guard ^_^ that and with a pod ssize of 10 with 2 TDA armoured huulks in there you can't fit any more.

 

You could attatch 3 more wolf guard batte leaders if you chose but they'd not be able to pod in

 

~O

[Rindaris]

Thats what I thought. Unit is deadly enough as is, I'd say.

 

Thanks for all the information though, its greatly appreciated.

[Hfran Morkai]

I'm not sure assaulting with the Long Fangs is such a good idea, Logan could always split off in subsequent turns but I wouldn't want the old boy's weapons to be tied up in a combat to be perfectly honest.

[Brother Ariman]

I think the question I have here is not if you can assault, I think you can, the question is WHY IN RUSS' NAME WOULD YOU ASSAULT WITH LONG FANGS!

[DerekLee688]

I think the question I have here is not if you can assault, I think you can, the question is WHY IN RUSS' NAME WOULD YOU ASSAULT WITH LONG FANGS!

 

Cause you got Logan+his once a game extra attack+a well equiped WG & you blasted the everloving-Russ out of whatever you're going after.

 

I'd love to run this little point stink out of a Land Raider.

[Grimfoe]

Better to land Logan near another squad and have him move into the squad on turn two. Then he and the new squad can charge while the LF's stay back and fire away.

[MaleOpener]

Ok.. so I'm 95% sold on switching to the Space Wolves codex for my Deathwatch. And using Logan in a pod with some Long Fangs.

 

But I just thought of something.

 

Ok.. lets assume I use Relentless that turn, so my Long Fangs can move, fire and assault. Now the Long Fangs split their fire between 2 targets, can they still assault? I mean they would be assaulting a unit they fired at, but in another way they wouldn't be.

 

Or maybe I just read something wrong... always a possibility.

 

 

After you "split fire", you pick which one of the targets you'll assault. You can't assault both.

 

Giving the squad leader, isn't a bad idea, as long as you don't plan to split your fire that turn.

 

I like adding a WG in terminator armor, with a CML and a chainfist :)

 

I wouldn't assault with the long fangs. Rather using Logan, and any attached model, in a "defensive" role.

[Grimfoe]

After you "split fire", you pick which one of the targets you'll assault. You can't assault both.

 

Giving the squad leader, isn't a bad idea, as long as you don't plan to split your fire that turn.

 

I like adding a WG in terminator armor, with a CML and a chainfist :D

 

I wouldn't assault with the long fangs. Rather using Logan, and any attached model, in a "defensive" role.

 

Not true. You can always assault more than one squad. The only catch is you need to maintain coherency. If you can do that, you're golden.

[Valerian]

After you "split fire", you pick which one of the targets you'll assault. You can't assault both.

 

Giving the squad leader, isn't a bad idea, as long as you don't plan to split your fire that turn.

 

I like adding a WG in terminator armor, with a CML and a chainfist :D

 

I wouldn't assault with the long fangs. Rather using Logan, and any attached model, in a "defensive" role.

 

Not true. You can always assault more than one squad. The only catch is you need to maintain coherency. If you can do that, you're golden.

 

Exactly.

 

Also, even with Logan's +1 attack, the Fangs only have a CCW with no Bolt Pistol, so only 2 attacks on the charge, or 3 with Logan's +1. Better to just leave them in the cover of the Drop Pod to keep shooting, and send Logan off on his own, or to join a different unit, after the land and shoot trick.

 

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