Grey Mage Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 So... as has been noted, we now have the interesting ability to take assassins for the first time in... well forever. At the same time, we find we have a 154pt ticking time bomb whos really, really, really pissed off the local Wolf Lord. So, while its horribly unfluffy in some ways, has anyone considered just popping him in the back of the head once he reaches close combat? Its pretty strait forward- you use your new friendly sniper as you like, shooting here and there.... and charge Lukas in with his bloodclaws. After a round of CC against Abbaddon and his chosen youve probly lost a few bloodclaws- take all the ones who are in BtB with lukas first. Make sure hes touching abby! Then pop him in the back of the head on your turn, remove him and updwards of 3-4 TDA models from play. *Inspired by a conversation in the OR forum, where its been proposed, and no one seems to be able to shut down, that Vindicaires can shoot their own men.* Not particularly my style- I prefer to just take him out via wound allocation, but I thought it an interesting idea none the less. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldenhaller Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 have you got a link to the thread grey mage? ~O Edit : oops - that was a lot easier to find than i thought here Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2165853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Can Mr. Vindi shoot into combat? Because if so thats nasty as thats the only time it says you can't shoot your own units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2165855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 A Vindicaire Ignores all targeting restrictions. "A vindicaire my target any model in range and line of sight, regardless of targeting restrictions" And its been FAQ'd that they can fire into CC using this. Since not shooting your own men is a targeting "restriction" it seems possible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2165859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormbrow II Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 It would be a great trick if it wasn't for the fact that both the Vindicare and Lukas are woefully overpriced, especially the latter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2165880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dublindawg Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I guess it comes down to...."do you sacrifice one soldier to save the lives of many?" It's a hard call for any commanding officer but seeing these are plastic and metal miniatures....... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2165885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I'm sure this is not something GW will approve of, but its funny enough that I'd let an opponent do it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2165888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 Oi, the reall application is for apocalypse anyways.... where Ive seen someone throw down five abbaddons in a storm-something that had 40 embarkation slots. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2165903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I think it is OK just from the hilarity alone. :lol: Especially against an opponent who is unaware just to see the look on their face. And actually, I think it is kinda fluffy. Afterall the assassin is part of the =][=. And we know how egotistical and vengeful =][= are. Maybe Lukas grabbed two of the =][= favorite maidens, one in each arm, for a night of festivities leaving the Inq.alone with his incense. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2165908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 I think it is OK just from the hilarity alone. :lol: Especially against an opponent who is unaware just to see the look on their face. And actually, I think it is kinda fluffy. Afterall the assassin is part of the =][=. And we know how egotistical and vengeful =][= are. Maybe Lukas grabbed two of the =][= favorite maidens, one in each arm, for a night of festivities leaving the Inq.alone with his incense. I just have this thing against shooting my own men... but your right, the imperium in general doesnt! Who knows, maybe they think a SM whos actually sleeping with people MUST have fallen to slaanesh, and the rest of the chapter must just be to drunk to notice :D. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2165911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I think it is OK just from the hilarity alone. :lol: Especially against an opponent who is unaware just to see the look on their face. And actually, I think it is kinda fluffy. Afterall the assassin is part of the =][=. And we know how egotistical and vengeful =][= are. Maybe Lukas grabbed two of the =][= favorite maidens, one in each arm, for a night of festivities leaving the Inq.alone with his incense. You good sir just won my ale supply for a week! I like the idea of blowing the brains out of my own guys, then again I'm the guy who set his wolf scouts on his own shadowsword to see what would happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2165912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Nostromo Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I think it is OK just from the hilarity alone. :D Especially against an opponent who is unaware just to see the look on their face. And actually, I think it is kinda fluffy. Afterall the assassin is part of the =][=. And we know how egotistical and vengeful =][= are. Maybe Lukas grabbed two of the =][= favorite maidens, one in each arm, for a night of festivities leaving the Inq.alone with his incense. Yarp, thats the truth of it. While I'm not a fan of Lucas myself (and that also makes this tactic easier to swallow ^_^ ), I can't think of a more appropriate reason to finish him off nor amusing use of the vindicare's ability to ignore those fundamental rules. As the owner of a 2k daemonhunter force including aforementioned assassin and a great believer in apocalypse as pure entertainment rather than competition, I can't pretend that I won't be trying this in the next few months. The shock factor would be hilaaaarious. Abaddon makes a regular appearance too... (My) Frostbringer's space wolves promote a positive relationship with the Grey knights but have a rocky history with the larger =][=. This makes for some amusing backstory, and quite simply...its a bullet in the back of the head so I wouldn't put it past them! :lol: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2165938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillen Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Yeah I guess you could waste a ton of points on a sniper to do what would normally happen anyways??????? Um that is so silly. Your Blood Claws could just charge in and try and kill them on their own and probly do it if backed up a little. Or you could buy an expensive model to do somehing that will happen on it's own.?.?.? Where is the logic in this? They will do the same thing or maybe kill him on thier own with out wasting points on a model which will do what will normally take place. No logic. Maybe have the sniper shooting Abby over and over looking for a failed save. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2165954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneSniperSG Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Only question I have is, can you even target your OWN units for shooting? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2165967 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 Yeah I guess you could waste a ton of points on a sniper to do what would normally happen anyways??????? Um that is so silly. Your Blood Claws could just charge in and try and kill them on their own and probly do it if backed up a little. Or you could buy an expensive model to do somehing that will happen on it's own.?.?.? Where is the logic in this? They will do the same thing or maybe kill him on thier own with out wasting points on a model which will do what will normally take place. No logic. Maybe have the sniper shooting Abby over and over looking for a failed save. 1) For fun. 2) I dont see how its a gauranteed kill by any means- especially with the chaos forces striking first. 3) You can do it in other scenarios- like a Tyrant with three gaurd, or against a Reaver Titan. Only question I have is, can you even target your OWN units for shooting? Its a restriction- Vindicaire ignores all Restrictions other than range and LOS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2165976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Yeah I guess you could waste a ton of points on a sniper to do what would normally happen anyways??????? Um that is so silly. Your Blood Claws could just charge in and try and kill them on their own and probly do it if backed up a little. Or you could buy an expensive model to do somehing that will happen on it's own.?.?.? Where is the logic in this? They will do the same thing or maybe kill him on thier own with out wasting points on a model which will do what will normally take place. No logic. Maybe have the sniper shooting Abby over and over looking for a failed save. Darn it man! Stop using reason!!! Let us have our fun. :thanks: You are right tho. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2165990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tograth Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 In our local shop we were playing around with the uses for Lukas re taking out titans. From the various rules interactions, we came to the conclusion that about the best he could do is take d3 structure points off of the titan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2166085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrne Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Not sure about using this with Lukas, but this would be a way to help Lone wolves.... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2166099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 And if Abbadon, or whoever, doesn't roll less than Lukas on the d6 roll, then you've just wasted a 155 point model for nothing. How about the Assassin try to shoot the enemy guy instead? V Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2166114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 *shrugs* All options are good options... just not all options are good ones to take. Yes, theres probly a better way to invest 400pts. Still, something fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2166144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaleOpener Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I don't take allies, but that is one NASTY trick! The things players think of, nowadays ... :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2166147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 *shrugs* All options are good options... just not all options are good ones to take. Yes, theres probly a better way to invest 400pts. Still, something fun. Exactly the point of this is a bit of a laugh. 400 points isn't much in an apocalypse game, sure it's almost a baneblade but I think explaining to a bemused opponent that you're shooting your own guy is just brilliant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183097-dead-lukas/#findComment-2166174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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