T-Wolf Mount base size

[Grey Mage]

What bases do other "cav" units in the game use? Roughriders or such?

 

How about beasts?

Hormagaunts are beasts- they use 25mm bases. Roughriders used to use WFB cavalry bases... no idea if thats changed. Wolves from WFB use of course the 25x40mm cavalry bases.... Fiends of Slaanesh use 40mm rounds.

 

So really, its all over the board.

[MaveriK]

Basic run down so far:

 

- People are saying 60mm base. Because Canis Wolfborn rides on Fangir, a Thunderwolf.

- Some people are saying 40mm base (Terminator Size)

- There was even a mention of using Cavalry bases (WFB Dire Wolves Base)

 

So why use cavalry bases? is it because its mention that its unit type is "cavalry" and ignoring the basic facts that the old WFB Dire Wolves are mounted on cavalry bases, same goes for Space Marine Bikes. Also ignoring the fact that Thunderwolves are larger in size compared to the normal Fenrisian Wolves as shown with Canis Wolfborn and mentioned in the codex. Also, Canis Wolfborn is a special character who rides a Thunderwolf. Which is mounted on a 60mm base. So why would you go use a smaller size base, based off an actual model with its right sized base?! Just because there aren't any official Thunderwolf Cavalry models out there, it doesn't mean that their gonna go down in size with its base, especially when they already have a idea of its size with Canis. I just thought it was common sense?! I don't see the big confusion here!? I mean take out Canis Wolfborn and all you have is a Thunderwolf with its right base. Try putting that on a Cavalry base... or on a 40mm base. I know people aren't going to spend money to buy extra Canis Wolfborns just to have a Thunderwolf Cavalry, but with that model you have an idea of how large the wolf should be and what base to use. I dunno... just saying.

He doesnt ride a TWM- he rides FANGIR. The largest known thunderwolf. Thus any others should be smaller.

 

Fangir happens to use the rules of a TWM, supposedly, but we dont know what the bonuses are actually- all we know is that they are already included in Canis' profile, and likely are +1 S and +1 T.

 

Its kind of like how Vulkan Hestan isnt equiped with a Heavy Flamer- hes got a Gauntlet of the Forge instead.

 

Thanks, that totally puts things in perspective! so pretty much since Tony Stark aka Iron Man, drives a limited edition Audi R8, its NOT a Audi R8 because its different, its a limited edition Audi R8.

[Grey Mage]

Basic run down so far:

 

- People are saying 60mm base. Because Canis Wolfborn rides on Fangir, a Thunderwolf.

- Some people are saying 40mm base (Terminator Size)

- There was even a mention of using Cavalry bases (WFB Dire Wolves Base)

 

So why use cavalry bases? is it because its mention that its unit type is "cavalry" and ignoring the basic facts that the old WFB Dire Wolves are mounted on cavalry bases, same goes for Space Marine Bikes. Also ignoring the fact that Thunderwolves are larger in size compared to the normal Fenrisian Wolves as shown with Canis Wolfborn and mentioned in the codex. Also, Canis Wolfborn is a special character who rides a Thunderwolf. Which is mounted on a 60mm base. So why would you go use a smaller size base, based off an actual model with its right sized base?! Just because there aren't any official Thunderwolf Cavalry models out there, it doesn't mean that their gonna go down in size with its base, especially when they already have a idea of its size with Canis. I just thought it was common sense?! I don't see the big confusion here!? I mean take out Canis Wolfborn and all you have is a Thunderwolf with its right base. Try putting that on a Cavalry base... or on a 40mm base. I know people aren't going to spend money to buy extra Canis Wolfborns just to have a Thunderwolf Cavalry, but with that model you have an idea of how large the wolf should be and what base to use. I dunno... just saying.

He doesnt ride a TWM- he rides FANGIR. The largest known thunderwolf. Thus any others should be smaller.

 

Fangir happens to use the rules of a TWM, supposedly, but we dont know what the bonuses are actually- all we know is that they are already included in Canis' profile, and likely are +1 S and +1 T.

 

Its kind of like how Vulkan Hestan isnt equiped with a Heavy Flamer- hes got a Gauntlet of the Forge instead.

 

Thanks, that totally puts things in perspective! so pretty much since Tony Stark aka Iron Man, drives a limited edition Audi R8, its NOT a Audi R8 because its different, its a limited edition Audi R8.

GWs done that before, and theyll do it again. I mean heck, look at TDA- some work with 25mm bases, others with 40mm bases.... or the Red Terror, also know as the "limited edition" Ravenor.

 

And if you talked to my brother, the car collector, hed tell you its different.

[MaveriK]

sadly I still have some of my older 2nd edition Wolf Guard Terminators on 25mm bases, I don't use em though... I use the newer plastic Terminators with their current updated 40mm base. Oh and I know the differences with the car, I was just bored and poking fun wolf brother no harm intended :)

 

He doesnt ride a TWM- he rides FANGIR. The largest known thunderwolf. Thus any others should be smaller.

 

So other Thunderwolves should be a little smaller.. that's fine, but how small? certainly not to the size where it can fit in a rectangular cav base. Using a 40mm base is a possibility, but using a 60mm base is a sure bet.. maybe not as tall or wide as Fangir since their smaller in size correct? err no?

 

 

Fangir happens to use the rules of a TWM, supposedly, but we dont know what the bonuses are actually- all we know is that they are already included in Canis' profile, and likely are +1 S and +1 T.

 

Its in our codex... its like riding a Space Marine Bike which gives T(5) if you look at the stats of Canis Wolfborn, and the stats of a Thunderwolf Cavalry, their S and T are similar. So putting two and two together, I'd assume that the bonuses are actually just that. Its not that Fangir happens to use the rules of a TWM, he is a TWM.. he's just a little bit larger and he's a named thunderwolf who's ridden by a special character.

[Grey Mage]

Fair enough, no offense taken and I hope I didnt come off as testy. Should use more smilies... sorry. :lol: Just figured Id throw that out there.

 

Still, As long as the model looks appropriate to the base its on I wont bat an eye at the homemade stuff until official models come out.

[Warhorse47]

...and just to muddy it a little more, both Canis and TWC are listed as cavalry. As are the Imperial Guard Attilan Rough Riders, who are on horses.....

Yeesh

[Valerian]

...and just to muddy it a little more, both Canis and TWC are listed as cavalry. As are the Imperial Guard Attilan Rough Riders, who are on horses.....

Yeesh

 

Cavalry is a unit type and describes, for the most part, how that unit moves on the battlefield compared to standard infantry. It has nothing to do with the size or shape of the model, nor the appropriate base to mount the model on. As Maverik has noted, the only Thunderwolf model in existence is mounted on a 60mm base. Even if Fengir is supposed to be a little larger, I'd say it would be a pretty safe bet for you to follow suit and use a 60mm base for your TWC, too.

 

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[ChainsawDR]

how many mm is a dreadnought base?

[Grey Mage]

how many mm is a dreadnought base?

That would be the 60mm were talking about. TDA bases are 40mm, marines are 25mm.

[jimmyjames2112]

Yeah. GW Rules boys said 60. and for turnements. you need a FANGIR model for every TWM you plan on using... However.

WHat you do in your one LGS is up to you and your game-mates. So DnD Mini away as far as im concerned. But I wouldnt bring one to a Ard Boys

[Gore Fang]

How do you get in contact with the GW rulez boyz?

[Ragnar Blood Giver]

so if I want to add FW from the wag box what base should I use? those that come with?

 

those old termi models (metal) came with 25 mm bases, so I need to change them ?

 

and as a side topic a WGBL can take 2 FW's... so it says in the dex.

 

but what about him with a jump pack.

 

it states clearly on pg 85 'may chose 2 fenrisain wolf', and bellow that as the astrix states 'you can read it'.

 

no where dose it say that a WGBL with a jump pack can not bring FW's

 

would like to know as do they when they DS strap those beasts on their backs?

 

and would it be legal to do that?

 

'apart from being nicked by the RSCA can't see a pro myself'

[stinkenheim]

very off topic, but you can have a WCBL accompanied by two wolves regardless of if he is on foot, riding a bike or with a jump pack. the only stipulation to the model would be that he then moves at the speed of the slowest (e.g no 12" move if bike/JP) and also he wouldn't be able to deepstrike as every model in the unit would need the rule and wolves lack it... although with enough balloons you could float them down like a hairy spore mine...

 

 

as for the TWC base size, i would mount them on lengthened 40mm bases if i took them for two reasons, 1 i wouldn't be using canis as the base of the model, and 2 its easier and cheaper for me to get hold of 40mm bases as opposed to 60mm bases. i wouldn't have an issue with my opponent mounting them on any base size bigger than standard 25mm as there are no generic models for them.

its something i have done for a wolf guard on a bike as all my wolf guard are mounted on 40mm bases. just cut the base in half and make it the same length as cavalry/bike bases by using either sprues or plasticard for the sides.

i think it'd be a happy medium between the two, and it would mean that there would actually be a chance of a unit getting a cover save or even more than one model in combat :lol:

[The WarpGhost]

Just to add to the debate, but follow this link and you'll get the GW Events take on base size. Just remember, this is just the Event's take on them, and is in no way an official GW opinion. But as it'll impact the UK GT, it will probably be seen as the closest thing until the FAQ rules on it (if at all).

[Grey Mage]

How do you get in contact with the GW rulez boyz?

You would have called them... but they no longer exist.

 

All rules questions are Supposed to be funnelled through an email account these days.

 

Why? Because if you called the rules boys seven times theyd give you 9 answers and a blank look.

[MaveriK]

pg. 54 in our codex, Fangir is described as a monstrous Thunderwolf, as strong as a mastodon and as tall at the shoulder as an ice troll.

pg. 34 the description of Thunderwolves in the Thunderwolf Cavalry section says that physically, Thunderwolves are truly monstrous, their anatomies having more in common with terran rhinoceroid bla bla bla reaching as much as eight feet in height at the shoulder. I dunno what I was trying to go with that example :) but yeah, haha

 

Well I really hope they (GW) clarifies this sometime in the future. With everything I've explained in this trend I still think its the 60mm base, at least a safe bet. But the 40mm base could also be a possibility for those who want to use it. At least we ruled out the regular standard cavalry bases. Either way, the important thing here is to enjoy converting and doing your own version of Thunderwolf Cavalry. Who knows, maybe in the future we get an official model for them, but at least for now can have fun with the hobby with putting our own touches on the unit, that adds onto what keeps the sons of Russ unique from other chapters.