Polaris Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 The caluxes has a str 5 ap 1 assault 2 that gains +1 attack for every psyker that is 12" of him. Dont Grey knights count a pskyers? Could you take a IG psyker squad and get some 10+ attacks? This could be pretty fun! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183233-dirty-tricks-with-a-caluxes-assassin/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Mel Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 The caluxes has a str 5 ap 1 assault 2 that gains +1 attack for every psyker that is 12" of him. Dont Grey knights count a pskyers? only those with psychic powers Could you take a IG psyker squad and get some 10+ attacks? yes ;) This could be pretty fun! could be, but i find the culexus too specialised to be of use most of the time, even when facinf multiple psykers, you still need to keep the assassin alive to fight them. mel Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183233-dirty-tricks-with-a-caluxes-assassin/#findComment-2167249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 The caluxes has a str 5 ap 1 assault 2 that gains +1 attack for every psyker that is 12" of him. Dont Grey knights count a pskyers? Could you take a IG psyker squad and get some 10+ attacks? This could be pretty fun! This is an old-new combo that always sounds great ... until you realize that it requires your entire army to be designed around it and that you have to babysit your Culexus in order to make it work. GKs count as psykers according to the rules in the DH codex. Which is to say: Justicars, BCs, and GK Heroes. And you'll note on p. 47 of the IG codex that only the Sanctioned Psyker actually counts as a psyker for purposes of the rules. So sure, you can find a way to get a sick number of attacks out of the Culexus. But practically-speaking, it's difficult to pull off and so obvious to the opponent that it is easily countered. A one-trick pony that isn't even a very good trick, IMHO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183233-dirty-tricks-with-a-caluxes-assassin/#findComment-2167252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warp Angel Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I'm still tempted to field a handful of these guys with the assassin formation that includes them to mess with my friends 'nid army in Apocalypse. He likes fielding multiple formations with 4 zoanthropes and a hive tyrant in them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183233-dirty-tricks-with-a-caluxes-assassin/#findComment-2167386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Want to get really dirty? Add 3 mystics to a =][= 's retinue, they are cheap "psykers". With the =][= that makes 4. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183233-dirty-tricks-with-a-caluxes-assassin/#findComment-2169299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Neither mystics nor any other Inquisitorial retinue models have the psyker special rule. Mystics are "psykers" -- in quotes only -- just like the vast majority of GKs are "psykers" in quotes only. Don't confuse fluff with rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183233-dirty-tricks-with-a-caluxes-assassin/#findComment-2169534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Neither mystics nor any other Inquisitorial retinue models have the psyker special rule. Mystics are "psykers" -- in quotes only -- just like the vast majority of GKs are "psykers" in quotes only. Don't confuse fluff with rules. umm... where dose it say that the psykers have to have a capital P, or have a special rule, or have "" around their title? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183233-dirty-tricks-with-a-caluxes-assassin/#findComment-2169981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
silversmith82 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 In the character/unit description that's where. Like for the Inquisitor or GK hero etc... And Inquisitors who do not take powers still count as psykers. Mystics etc... do not. Best use for a Culexes is if you know you're playing seer council or some other psyker heavy army. Vs Seer Council a Culexes is a bucket of awesomesauce with extra win on the side. Culexes should never be part of a competitive list IMO. Other than that, stick with the Callidus or Eversor which both are great without having to be going against a specific army. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183233-dirty-tricks-with-a-caluxes-assassin/#findComment-2169990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Swas Posted November 2, 2009 Share Posted November 2, 2009 umm... where dose it say that the psykers have to have a capital P, or have a special rule, or have "" around their title? The same place it says a model must have a Power Weapon to benefit from having a power weapon. You can't add rules wherever you think they apply. All my units don't get "Furious Charge" because somewhere in the fluff it says that an opponent fears their charge. It's made quite clear when a unit does get a special rule, it's not like you can easily mistake them for being psykers when they are not. You'd have to be trying to cheat or willfully misinterpret the rules to argue that mystics are psykers. The IG psyker squad can have 9 psykers in it. The Overseer guy is NOT a psyker, but all the other models in the squad are. In Daemonhunters only, you can have a single psyker in every force org slot except the one used to take the assassin, but no more. Thus, +16 shots if every daemonhunter psyker is in range. With just three IG psyker squads, he becomes assault 28 (9+9+9+1). Pity what he does to even friendly psykers near him, except the Daemonhunters ones who are all fearless and thus don't care. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183233-dirty-tricks-with-a-caluxes-assassin/#findComment-2172626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lorne Walkier Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 umm... where dose it say that the psykers have to have a capital P, or have a special rule, or have "" around their title? The same place it says a model must have a Power Weapon to benefit from having a power weapon. You can't add rules wherever you think they apply. All my units don't get "Furious Charge" because somewhere in the fluff it says that an opponent fears their charge. It's made quite clear when a unit does get a special rule, it's not like you can easily mistake them for being psykers when they are not. You'd have to be trying to cheat or willfully misinterpret the rules to argue that mystics are psykers. I think the fact that i play Daemonhunter Army means that i don't take wining that seriously. If you want to cheat to win pick a more competitive list to begin with. Even if i think it is a legal tactic to employ i would not do it my self for thematic reasons. The only reason i would even bring it up here is the tread was caled "dirty tricks". And excuse me if i some how got it wrong when i think a unit called "mystic" would be a psyker. Silly me for getting a unit called Sanctioned Psyker confused with a psyker. You are right, Warp-seers and Astropaths would never cut it as psykers on the 40k Table top. The first words in their description.... "A tiny number of human psykers are judged psychically strong enough...." The word psyker, or a version of it used no less then 6 times. The ability to allow shooting on all deep strikes with in a radius is one of the most powerful psychic abilities in the game. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183233-dirty-tricks-with-a-caluxes-assassin/#findComment-2173243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
silversmith82 Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Wow way to get your panties in a bunch and call everyone here basically a cheater for actually following the rules. Regardless you are wrong and I'd love to see this attitude at a tournament. Hell, even a friendly game. The only units that count as "pskyers" are the ones with the "pskyer" rule in their character profile. This is how it is. Fluff does not equal rules. And good job bashing on the Daemonhunters army in the Daemonhunters forum. That's like going over to your GF/Wife's mother's house and saying the food sucks lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183233-dirty-tricks-with-a-caluxes-assassin/#findComment-2173473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibious Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 Careful Silver, your ad hominem towards Lorne would only fan the fire of the flame. But your points are still correct. Fluff is not the rules. GW goes quite out their way to state whos a Psyker in-game and who is not. ie even the librarium has the psyker special rule. -Gib- Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183233-dirty-tricks-with-a-caluxes-assassin/#findComment-2173480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted November 3, 2009 Share Posted November 3, 2009 @Lorde Lorne and silversmith82: Cut the sniping NOW or I will issue Warnings to the both of you. No flaming! It's in the B&C rules. You've made your points, that's the end of the matter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183233-dirty-tricks-with-a-caluxes-assassin/#findComment-2173727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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