Natanael Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Hey guys. As you might have noticed I've been posting some lists in the army list section, but I can't seem to get it right. The army is gonna show at a tournament we're having in a few weeks (if I get in, still just 1st place reserve), and I want to know what to paint. The problem is our comp-scores. They follow regulations from here: http://www.svenska40k.se/forum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=721. were you start at 100 comp-points and then go down from there. 50 is very good, and 35 is accepteble, but I really don't want to go below that, and therein lies the problem. My question to you is that you take some time to think through my army while looking at the comp-score and tell me what you think I should do. My own army lists come up at less than 20 most of the time, since I want to be able to compete, but not just go up against flying eldar and nob bikes. So far, my models are: About 30-40 GHs (including 4x Plasma gun, 1x Melta, 3x PP and unlimited numbers, almost, of MotW/Wolf Standard, PW and PF. 16 BCs (including power fist and PW) 6 Long fangs (5x Heavy bolter, 1 pack leader) 5 Terminators (w/ different equip, including one that I can use as a lord) 4 Rhinos (one can be made as an RB w/ TLAC) 1 "dakkapred" 1 Vindicator 1 LRC 1 Dreadnought (TLLC; ML; AC & CCW is avalible) 2x Speeders w/ MM;HF 1x Typhoon Speeder 7 Scouts w/ 2x PP/PW 1 Wolf Priest 1 Rune Priest X number of WGBL/WLs w/ different config can be made Thats about it. What would you suggest I take (not a compleate army list, but tips) when thinking about the comp-score as well. Limit for the tourney is 1750 points. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183340-building-me-an-army-worthy-of-the-fang/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natanael Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 Reserved for pics as I go. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183340-building-me-an-army-worthy-of-the-fang/#findComment-2168389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
avatar8481 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Here's the problem with Comp systems: I can make a totally killer Cavalry list and keep the comp to 33 points. Maybe a bit low, but you should wreck face with a glass hammer. It doesn't use the models you have as well as it could though: (Basically take Stelek's "best of" list discussed in other places and use that: Canis -12 Lord Warrior born -5 Twolf mount -5 Wolf claw x2 -2 3 iron priests with twolf and cyber wolfs -1 each -3 total 12 TWC in three units with a TH in each -21 total 3 full squads of Grey Hunters with 2x melta in each -6 total two 15 strong wolf packs as troops -4 3 rhinos (if you have the points -9 Should come out to 33 points and you can't tell me that's not a totally unbalanced army. There's a part of me that wants you to take just to prove the point that comp systems are all terrible (in that they have loopholes and don't stop power list building if you know what you're doing). I realize this doesn't actually answer your question. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183340-building-me-an-army-worthy-of-the-fang/#findComment-2168397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperDave Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 "Rune Priest -3 each Rune Priest -1 Chooser of the Slain -1 Living Lightning -4 Storm Caller -5 Tempest's Wrath -2 Murderous Hurricane -25 Jaws of the Wold Wolf" Heh.... talk about buying into the over-hyped fear of JoWW... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183340-building-me-an-army-worthy-of-the-fang/#findComment-2168419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
avatar8481 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 5 vanilla marine TH/SS terminators: 10 points 4 TWC with TH and one SS: 10 points I'd argue the 8 wound T5 6 attack 12" charge models are 'under-penalized' in this scheme and you should take as many as you can. Also, The system thinks Iron Priests are a throw away (only 1 point with no adjustment for options) when they can become essentially (with Cyberwolves) a 6 wound cavalry charging model with 12 I5 rending attacks and 4 Thunderhammer attacks on the charge. For 1 point! Take 3 of those, if you do nothing else, take 3 of those 'units' and you won't regret it. or 2 points for a 15 strong unit of wolves with saga of the wolfkin...45 I5 rending attacks for 2 points that can hide a killer IC on a wolf all with cav-charge...yes please! This comp system is so broken in favor of SW it's ridiculous. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183340-building-me-an-army-worthy-of-the-fang/#findComment-2168436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 or 2 points for a 15 strong unit of wolves with saga of the wolfkin...45 I5 rending attacks for 2 points that can hide a killer IC on a wolf all with cav-charge...yes please! This comp system is so broken in favor of SW it's ridiculous. Fenrisian Wolves are I4, and don't have Rending. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183340-building-me-an-army-worthy-of-the-fang/#findComment-2168442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
avatar8481 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I5 with Saga of the wolfkin and you're right about rending, I don't have my codex in front of me and misremembered. Doesn't really change my point though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183340-building-me-an-army-worthy-of-the-fang/#findComment-2168443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I just looked through the link and am just amazed at how retarded that system is. It looks to me as if they've got one penalty or another for every selection that you can take, and every option available; it's frackin' rediculous. 40k is about having fun. If you want to have fun Nataneal, play the army that you want to play and to hell with their stupid composition scores. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183340-building-me-an-army-worthy-of-the-fang/#findComment-2168597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olgerth Istaarn Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Jesus, what did Njal do to these people? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183340-building-me-an-army-worthy-of-the-fang/#findComment-2168612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
avatar8481 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I don't speak/read swedish, but if you run the website through google translate it's pretty interesting. They freak out about JoTWW but completely underestimate/ignore the power of cavalry units (which is understandable since there are so few in 40k that nobody knows what to do with them). They ignore Iron Priests and seem to penalize all mech choices excessively. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183340-building-me-an-army-worthy-of-the-fang/#findComment-2168620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillen Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Just make a standard list you like. Screw hit bullsheeeet system and go play and have fun. And point out only a nazi would make rules impedding fun. Tell them RT tournies have a nice scoring system and it always weeds out the broken power lists. Problem solved. Then play in other tournies and make a point of telling everyone how he is a jerk and forces you to play his gaming style even thou the rules say you can use said stuff. I can not stand power gamers. Well I can but they still bother me. I hate tyrants more then power gamers thou. His rule Fails. Also you can use Army builder and make the rule they have to spend 40% points in troops. It sounds really low, but it makes for a more blanced game. I have had games where you need 50% troop points and this was a much more interesting game. And you do not get slapped down for having a list able to take gear. Grey Hunters are small in number and geared out hard core. Which is why Space Wolves rock. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183340-building-me-an-army-worthy-of-the-fang/#findComment-2168639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Devil Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 These comp rules are a waste of time. Make a regular list and have fun. BTW Quillen, I wouldn't recommend calling anyone a Nazi. That title is reserved for REAL EVIL, not some trumped up little potentate scared someone might have an advantage and enforces this silly comp system. And for the record I feel all comp systems are broken and about petty revenge, not about having a fun tournament. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183340-building-me-an-army-worthy-of-the-fang/#findComment-2168676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grantyr Greymantle Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 yeah, but "the Soup Tyrant" just doesn't have the same ring… Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183340-building-me-an-army-worthy-of-the-fang/#findComment-2168746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Bloodskull Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 yeah, but "the Soup Tyrant" just doesn't have the same ring… Try switchting the S for a P :lol: All sillyness aside, i agree, this comp system is ridicilous. I mean, my list gets a score of 32 points, which is ridicilous because its not a friggin cheese list. So, you just go to whoever wrote this comp systems home, you pillage and loot the place and take his women. I doubt you'll care about his comp system anymore after you've done that :P Sven Bloodskull Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183340-building-me-an-army-worthy-of-the-fang/#findComment-2168878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natanael Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 Alright guys, thanks for jour comments. I realise that the comp score is bad, but it's a first try with this system at my store. I guess i am going to look for some wolves to help me out with the comp score. The cav list is appealing and if i could get hold of some wolves cheap i might go for it. And yeah, the comp is beta so far. No major tourbaments have been played yet in sweden so the sw-codex has not been tested. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183340-building-me-an-army-worthy-of-the-fang/#findComment-2168956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf-o-wolve Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 you can build armys with minus comp score which are not nearly competive ^^ i only can say what the other guys said before.....take the comp system and beat someone with it (best the guy who invented it) and then build your army as you want....you surely will have more fun Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183340-building-me-an-army-worthy-of-the-fang/#findComment-2169280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrahawk Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 This system is obviously a steaming pile of Bantha poo. Make sure to let 'em know. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/183340-building-me-an-army-worthy-of-the-fang/#findComment-2169308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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