Thunderfire Question

[DAwarrior43]

When the cannon is destroyed does the tech marine stay one the field? Because he is an independent character.

[Brother Santios]

When the cannon is destroyed does the tech marine stay one the field? Because he is an independent character.

 

 

Yes mate the Tech Marine stays on the field - cant remember what page but it definately says so in the Codex :P

[DAwarrior43]

K thanks for clearing that up for me

[Frosty the Pyro]

Even if he wasnt an independent character the techmarine would still stay on the feild. In artillery units The guns automaticly die when all the gunners are gone, the reverse is not true.

[Stolid Fox]

Just an interesting side question I thought of, since Tech Marines are independent characters that means they can join a unit. What if I have a tech marine join with a thunderfire and his tech marine -- if they get hit and the original tech marine dies can the independent marine 'man' the thunderfire?

[Grey Mage]

He cant join a unit until after the cannon is dead- because until then he and teh cannon form a 2 model unit.

[Frosty the Pyro]

he was saying if a regular tech marine joined the cannon (which it CAN do). However it could NOT man TFC.

to quote the BRB

"Independent characters can join the unit, however they do not count as crew and cannot operate the the guns"

[Commander Sasha]

While we're discussing Thunderfires, or artillery in general, please can you tell me if I'm getting this right:

When the unit is being shot at,by multiple guns (say 9 Heavy bolter shots) is it:

1) Opponent rolls to hit (eg 6 successes)

2) I roll to allocate to gun or Techmarine (eg 3 each)

3) Opp rolls to wound TM

4) I roll armour saves for TM

5) Opp rolls to penetrate tank

6) Opp rolls for damage chart.

 

If the unit is in cover, where do the cover saves get done? I'm guessing TM's cover save replaces 4) armour saves (if relevant), and the cannon's appear as obscured shots, as 5.1)

 

Is this correct? Thanks.

[Frosty the Pyro]

While we're discussing Thunderfires, or artillery in general, please can you tell me if I'm getting this right:

When the unit is being shot at,by multiple guns (say 9 Heavy bolter shots) is it:

1) Opponent rolls to hit (eg 6 successes)

2) I roll to allocate to gun or Techmarine (eg 3 each)

3) Opp rolls to wound TM

4) I roll armour saves for TM

5) Opp rolls to penetrate tank

6) Opp rolls for damage chart.

 

If the unit is in cover, where do the cover saves get done? I'm guessing TM's cover save replaces 4) armour saves (if relevant), and the cannon's appear as obscured shots, as 5.1)

 

Is this correct? Thanks.

Your close, 3 and 5 are technicly simultainous (thought it doesnt matter so long as it all gets rolled). 6 never happesn though, artillery cannons are automaticly destroyed on any pen or glancing hit, you never roll on the damage chart for them. Also due to them being a unit if 50% of the unit would get cover, the whole unit would get cover. Due to the infantry rules for cover being much more forgiving than the vehicle rules, it will normaly be the techmarine granting cover to the cannon than the other way around, but It is possible to have the cannon in cover and the marine in the open and still be granted cover.

 

 

 

So as a revised order of opperations is

1) opponent rolls to hit

2) you roll to allocate hits to guns/crew

3) Roll to wound infantry/pen vehicles

4) If the unit has more than one gun/crew, allocate wounds to each group as normal (note this will only apply to the crew part of a TFC, and only if an IC has joined)

5) Take aplicable saves (cover/armor)

[Commander Sasha]

6 never happens though, artillery cannons are automaticly destroyed on any pen or glancing hit, you never roll on the damage chart for them.

Doh. I knew that. Not concentrating!

 

Thanks for the revised list, cut/pasted into mental notebook!