really dumb question

[Wolflordhicks]

I understand that Grey Hunters have 1 standard attack plus counter charge bonus, their standard kit is bolter ccw and bolt pistol, so what happens if I rapid fire my bolter or even just fire it (and cant charge I know this) and then am charged in return......do I get a bonus for having 2 ccw? (pistol and ccw) and the counter charge, what confuses me is that I would get 2A normally for having 2 ccw's plus bonus counter charge for 3A (or2 if failed ld) does having the bolter effect the other weapons?

Thanks in advance for this sumwhat stupid question

Hail the Wolf Lord

[Dark Bjoern]

You would have 2A for the additional CCW + countercharge.

[Wolflordhicks]

You would have 2A for the additional CCW + countercharge.

 

Thanks now I can see why other wolf brothers love the Grey Hunters

[muzzyman1981]

Correct...unless SOMEHOW through some sheer wierdness a unit charges you in your assault phase in which you had fired the bolter then you would get the 2 CCW bonus. Seeing as that is extremely unlikely to the point of never ever happening, you would get the 2 CCW bonus on the counter-charge.

[Grey Mage]

Correct...unless SOMEHOW through some sheer wierdness a unit charges you in your assault phase in which you had fired the bolter then you would get the 2 CCW bonus. Seeing as that is extremely unlikely to the point of never ever happening, you would get the 2 CCW bonus on the counter-charge.

Nah, even then you stow your bolters, equip your CCWs, and go to town- with counterattack aswell.

[muzzyman1981]

Well the reason I said that is cause otherwise then you would do the same thing if you were charging. If a Space Wolf could sling his Bolter in response to a charge and pull his Bolt Pistol and CCW then why couldn't he do so when he charges?

 

Although it's kind of a moot point cause I don't know any unit that has a rule that allows it to charge a unit on the other player's turn so......=P Although it does bring up and interesting point to discuss, albeit not in this post since it doesn't affect the topic.....unless the OP wants to? =0D

[Toasterfree]

Well the reason I said that is cause otherwise then you would do the same thing if you were charging. If a Space Wolf could sling his Bolter in response to a charge and pull his Bolt Pistol and CCW then why couldn't he do so when he charges?

 

Although it's kind of a moot point cause I don't know any unit that has a rule that allows it to charge a unit on the other player's turn so......=P Although it does bring up and interesting point to discuss, albeit not in this post since it doesn't affect the topic.....unless the OP wants to? =0D

he does, you just dont fire the bolter before you charge, you fire the bolt pistol...

[muzzyman1981]

But if a unit has fired a Rapid Fire weapon in the shooting phase then they cannot charge in the Assault phase. I would imagine that would count for counter-charge as well (provided SOMEHOW the opponent has a unit that can charge in your Assault phase) since they fired a Rapid Fire weapon in the Shooting phase. Otherwise the unit would be able to get the 2 CCW bonus normally in a regular assault situation.

 

Get my meaning? Normal : Rapid Fire shooting would not allow an assault in the Assault phase, Abnormal (i.e. get charged in your own assault phase) : Rapid Fire shooting would allow you to get the 2 CCW weapon bonus in the Assault phase.......seems awkward, but again neigh on immpossible since I know of no unit that allows an assault during the opponent's turn.

[Toasterfree]

your thinking about something that will never happen, so why bother with it?

[muzzyman1981]

Cause its an interesting thought experiment?

[Toasterfree]

Cause its an interesting thought experiment?

if you ask me its quite a bit of wasted brain cells. id rather ponder something rational and find a way to make it better or to get around it.

[muzzyman1981]

Well until I find something in the forums that I feel like discussing then I like to talk about things such as this as it helps me expand my "thought box" as it were.

[Valerian]

But if a unit has fired a Rapid Fire weapon in the shooting phase then they cannot charge in the Assault phase. I would imagine that would count for counter-charge as well (provided SOMEHOW the opponent has a unit that can charge in your Assault phase) since they fired a Rapid Fire weapon in the Shooting phase. Otherwise the unit would be able to get the 2 CCW bonus normally in a regular assault situation.

 

Get my meaning? Normal : Rapid Fire shooting would not allow an assault in the Assault phase, Abnormal (i.e. get charged in your own assault phase) : Rapid Fire shooting would allow you to get the 2 CCW weapon bonus in the Assault phase.......seems awkward, but again neigh on immpossible since I know of no unit that allows an assault during the opponent's turn.

 

Firing a Rapid Fire weapon prevents a unit from Charging in the Assault Phase. That is the only restriction in the rules. Do not read more into it, or make assumptions.

 

When Charging or Counter-Attacking (with successful Ld check), a Grey Hunter gets a total of 3 Attacks (1 Base, +1 for additional CCW, and +1 for the Charge/Counter). Firing a Rapid Fire weapon prevents the unit from Charging, but not from Counter-Attacking, so this would be done at a total of 3 Attacks, regardless of what the unit did, or did not do, during its previous Shooting phase.

 

Valerian

[muzzyman1981]

True but remember this part is a thought experiment. IF this could ever be the case, assuming a unit has the ability to charge in the opponents assault phase. What would people see as the rule for this situation?

 

Yes, it is true that Counter-Attack doesn't mention losing the 2 CCW bonus but I don't believe the rule is made for this situation, seeing as it uses two different situations in one. One, Rapid Fire/Assault rules, and the second is the Counter-Attack rules.

 

What would you say if a unit ever managed to get this ability?

[Toasterfree]

do you like wasting other peoples time?

[muzzyman1981]

Yes, now that you mention it.

 

 

NO! Of course not but there ARE some people who like to have hypothetical discussions and why can we not have a discussion like this? Just cause you don't wish to discuss these types of things why do you want to stop others from doing so?

[Toasterfree]

because this is not a hypothetical thought thread. and doing this in a thread that has a serious question can confuse someone looking for a serious answer. dont post stuff like this is a rules question thread.

[muzzyman1981]

The original question had already been answered, which I happen to agree with. I merely am going further with a hypothetical rule question.

[Toasterfree]

The original question had already been answered, which I happen to agree with. I merely am going further with a hypothetical rule question.

then start its own thread

[muzzyman1981]

Well thank you for ruining a perfectly good discussion Toasterfree....it's not like you could have just let it be and let us have our discussions, wait that would have been to easy. In this case I am shamed to have to call you Wolf Brother.