Highly controversial Scouts issue..

[melabi]

When we assign WGs to lead our pack..

 

WG becomes an upgrade character of the pack he joined, in all respects, right?

 

This happens just before deployment, so sadly our GHs won't get another special gun.

 

But what about scouts?

 

1. WG becomes a scout -> so he can 'behind the enemy lines' with them.

 

2. WG became a scout, but he is still a WG(what?), so the pack may not 'btel' with him.

 

Your thoughts please? :D;

[Toasterfree]

When we assign WGs to lead our pack..

 

WG becomes an upgrade character of the pack he joined, in all respects, right?

 

This happens just before deployment, so sadly our GHs won't get another special gun.

 

But what about scouts?

 

1. WG becomes a scout -> so he can 'behind the enemy lines' with them.

 

2. WG became a scout, but he is still a WG(what?), so the pack may not 'btel' with him.

 

Your thoughts please? :D;

1 the WG does NOT give your GH the ability to take another special gun. he is not a GH he is a WG and is added to the pack AFTER the army list is made.

 

2 yes the WG can BEL with the scouts, for intents and purposes when you join him to the pack he "becomes a scout" but does not get scout armor

[Chucku]

The WG does not need to 'become a scout'. The BEL applies to the unit, which he becomes an integral part of (unlike an IC), and therefore benefits from.

[jimmyjames2112]

But that is a special rule for scouts, the BRB states that a unit must move at the slowest movement of the slowest model in a squad. IE ICs have move threw cover but when in a unit the unit does not gain the rule. i dont see how scouts give that to WG or ICs who dont have the rule. As far as ive been able to tell. giving a IC to a outflanking squad doesnt give him out flank as well. can some one prove to me that im wrong? If you can i would be greatfull and might actually put my scouts togather

[Elahir]

Well afaik the WG is not an IC, he becomes part of the unit so he gets BEL.

[Valerian]

But that is a special rule for scouts, the BRB states that a unit must move at the slowest movement of the slowest model in a squad.

 

This is irrelevant; what does the rule on movement rates have to do with anything?

 

IE ICs have move threw cover but when in a unit the unit does not gain the rule. i dont see how scouts give that to WG or ICs who dont have the rule. As far as ive been able to tell. giving a IC to a outflanking squad doesnt give him out flank as well. can some one prove to me that im wrong? If you can i would be greatfull and might actually put my scouts togather

 

This is also irrelevant as the Wolf Guard assigned to join and lead a pack (any pack, Wolf Scouts included) are not Independent Characters. I concur that Independent Characters that attach to the Wolf Scout packs do not gain any of the unit special rules, and therefor would not get to operate Behind Enemy Lines with them. However, we are not discussing attached Independent Characters, we are discussing Wolf Guard that join the pack prior to deployment.

 

The rule for Behind Enemy Lines applies to the unit; the Wolf Guard becomes a part of the unit prior to the game (even though he himself is not a Scout), thus the BEL rule applies to him, along with the rest of the unit.

 

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[Quillen]

Wolf Gaurd have always and will always have OBEL when with scouts. It's what they do when they lead a pack.

 

Movement of ICs means nothing as they are not an independent charctor. They are leaders of the pack they are assigned with and become part of the pack. He is now part of the pack.

[stinkenheim]

i think part of the confusion is that they didn't specify he gains the rules, and they haven't (for obvious reasons) included OBEL/Infiltrate/Scout/Move through cover as rules for generic wolf guard.

 

i am firmly of the opinion that WG become an additional member of the squad, are not treated as seperate units in combat nor for kill points and will gain any movement special rules the unit they become part of have. so as far as i am concerned yes, they will also have move through cover, infiltarete and OBEL when in a wolf scout pack.

[Grey Mage]

When we assign WGs to lead our pack..

 

WG becomes an upgrade character of the pack he joined, in all respects, right?

 

This happens just before deployment, so sadly our GHs won't get another special gun.

 

But what about scouts?

 

1. WG becomes a scout -> so he can 'behind the enemy lines' with them.

 

2. WG became a scout, but he is still a WG(what?), so the pack may not 'btel' with him.

 

Your thoughts please? ^_^;

1) Wolf Gaurd doesnt become a "Scout".

 

He really isnt- hes a Wolf Gaurd. Doesnt change anything though BECAUSE:

 

Scouts have four special rules:

Move through cover.

Infiltrate.

Scout.

Behind Enemy Lines.

 

In addition to the rules that the Wolf Gaurd has anyways like Counterattack etc.

 

Now, each and every one of those rules has something in common that other rules like "Feel no pain" and "Furious Charge" do not- they specify "a unit with this rule". Note the bolded and underlined statement- means its important ;).

 

Thus, since he is an upgrade character and therefore in every way part of the unit for the entirety of the battle he in turn gains the abilities of his squad- ie a WG with LFs can split fire, and a wolf gaurd with Grey Hunters is scoring, and a WG with Scouts is capable of moving through cover after popping out of your opponents table edge, powerfist in hand.

 

Quiaff?

[traitor_dice]

just think of the WG pack leader the same way as a seargent, exarch, aspiring champion etc.