Darkseer Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Just been writing another unit guide for the space wolves blog and noticed that you can take a Wolf Guard Battle Leader on a Thunderwolf and give him Saga of the Hunter. :rolleyes: He's still a lot of points, but the potential 24" charge from the side is almost too good to pass up! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evilmerlin Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Can't do it. Taking a Thunderwolf Mount changes him to Cavalry and Saga of the Hunter is Infantry only. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2175761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Alot of us have had that "OOO shiny!.... crap" reaction, dont worry about it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2175763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 yea, that blog is slightly off on a few things... oh well, i doubt its meant out of power gaming. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2175775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkseer Posted November 5, 2009 Author Share Posted November 5, 2009 Can't do it. Taking a Thunderwolf Mount changes him to Cavalry and Saga of the Hunter is Infantry only. The codex says 'can't have jump pack or bike'. It says nothing about riding a Thunderwolf. yea, that blog is slightly off on a few things... oh well, i doubt its meant out of power gaming. WLK Can you elaborate what it's 'off on' please? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2175791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Can't do it. Taking a Thunderwolf Mount changes him to Cavalry and Saga of the Hunter is Infantry only. The codex says 'can't have jump pack or bike'. It says nothing about riding a Thunderwolf. yea, that blog is slightly off on a few things... oh well, i doubt its meant out of power gaming. WLK Can you elaborate what it's 'off on' please? the saga itself on page 64 says infantry only. infact its the first two words under the bold name. and "what's off", in my opinion, was the write up on the wolf lord and the review of his sagas/wargear. i disagreed on some it it (namely magesty and bear), the preference of bike over TWM, and other stuff in that article. which is why i said it is "off", not "wrong". cause this falls down to matter of opinion, and debating a guy on his personal blog jsut isnt how i like to waste my time. i just took what info i could learn something from, and moved on. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2175802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamwulf Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 If only everyone had that same philosophy, the interwebs would be a far better place. I gotta agree with Wolf Lord Kieran. While I disagreed with a few of the statements made by Darkseer, it is his personal blog and his opinion. I'm not going to leave a "Dude, your an idiot!" comment or something like that. What he said was his opinion. Now, please! Everyone makes mistakes, and don't turn this into a flame war or something! :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2176115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 Saga of the Hunter is pure rubbish. In all the greatness that is the Codex, I can't belive that got through. You can't BEL with it, it doesn't pass on to any attched units, and possible the only build for a lone WGBL you'd use it on (On a TWM), you can't. Really. Who's going to outflank a lone WGBL? Or stick him with some outflanking Wolf Scouts that can't BEL? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2176329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coverfire Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 You could.... ummm.... Use the Hunting on a WGBL and Outflank him and the choose the Scout to BEL to his position... Yeah you're right, it stinks. I think The Hunter is the saga that passed the cut because they need something to fill the page Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2176346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkseer Posted November 5, 2009 Author Share Posted November 5, 2009 You could.... ummm.... Use the Hunting on a WGBL and Outflank him and the choose the Scout to BEL to his position... Yeah you're right, it stinks. I think The Hunter is the saga that passed the cut because they need something to fill the page Yeah, the saga does suck. Just spotted the really bad edit on page 64 where they tagged 'Infantry only' to the front of the Saga of the Hunter entry right before the 'descriptive bit' that normally has little reflection on the rules. Yep, thunderwolf riding WGBL can't outflank. Shame. Bit disgusting if he could I guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2176546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 You could.... ummm.... Use the Hunting on a WGBL and Outflank him and the choose the Scout to BEL to his position... Yeah you're right, it stinks. I think The Hunter is the saga that passed the cut because they need something to fill the page Yeah, the saga does suck. Just spotted the really bad edit on page 64 where they tagged 'Infantry only' to the front of the Saga of the Hunter entry right before the 'descriptive bit' that normally has little reflection on the rules. Yep, thunderwolf riding WGBL can't outflank. Shame. Bit disgusting if he could I guess. Trust me, i got super exicted when i found this also...then i thought of the carnage of a WGBL outflanking on a TWM and am happy that it was torpedo'd. just imagine the cries of "cheese" if we could! WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2176569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 *sighs* And I wish the moral part of me would allow me to argue that Jump Infantry are a type of Infantry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2176776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 *sighs* And I wish the moral part of me would allow me to argue that Jump Infantry are a type of Infantry. LOL. i never thought of that. better get ready to refute that. WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2176788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Simple: They are a seperate unit type with their own page of rules nowhere near the standard infantry rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2176794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Simple: They are a seperate unit type with their own page of rules nowhere near the standard infantry rules. yea, i have been doing more indepth studying of the Rule book in the last month than i have in the last few years to set these things right... if only i worked this hard in school! :eek WLK Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2176798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Simple: They are a seperate unit type with their own page of rules nowhere near the standard infantry rules. yea, i have been doing more indepth studying of the Rule book in the last month than i have in the last few years to set these things right... if only i worked this hard in school! :eek WLK If only all the things to learn in school could be summed up in about 30 books, with a few errata :). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2176812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahl02 Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 Simple: They are a seperate unit type with their own page of rules nowhere near the standard infantry rules. yea, i have been doing more indepth studying of the Rule book in the last month than i have in the last few years to set these things right... if only i worked this hard in school! :eek WLK If only all the things to learn in school could be summed up in about 30 books, with a few errata :). Yea I agree, though we'd have another 30 books of erratas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2176818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 6, 2009 Share Posted November 6, 2009 We already to- about 15 for WFB and about 15 for WH40K :eek Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2176829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auretious Taak Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Alot of us have had that "OOO shiny!.... crap" reaction, dont worry about it. Lots and Lots of us did...And not just those of us with English Codicies either... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2178211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmoor Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 yea, that blog is slightly off on a few things... oh well, i doubt its meant out of power gaming. WLK Can you elaborate what it's 'off on' please? Saga of Wolfkin - Why would you want Fenrisian Wolves as troops? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2178235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Because 60 Fenrisian Wolves is a mere 480pts, and gives you alot of T4 wounds to get through to hit your footslogging Wolf Gaurd scoring units while they and Grimnar walk up the board? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2178240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulf Vengis Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Doesnt Saga of the Hunter pass on to the unit said IC joins as well as their transport (if theyve got one)? I dont have my dex handy but I thought I read that. If Im mistaken correct me please. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2178259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 No it doesn't. Saga of the Hunter is utterly unerwhelming. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2178267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levitas Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 It sounds so cool. Having used Shrike and Raven Guard for a while i can confirm the carnage a HQ with unit does when flanking/infiltrating. Shame, shame. I think the sagas could have been slightly better. With warrior born the only real deal. Bear is overpriced and if your intelligent about where you charge your HQ then your fine without it. As in dont charge the powerfisted squad leader... Hunter could have been much more useful, even at the cost of a point spike. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2178347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmoor Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 Because 60 Fenrisian Wolves is a mere 480pts, and gives you alot of T4 wounds to get through to hit your footslogging Wolf Gaurd scoring units while they and Grimnar walk up the board? He was asking where his blog was wrong. I was pointing out that is not what Saga of the Wolfborn does. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184058-outflanking-thunderwolves/#findComment-2178452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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