Logan vs Njal

[Clone]

I have written an army list to combat some orks and am wondering on who is the better hq for this foe. They are both similar points so i could easily slot either one in. Logan has some awesome combat capability and can give relentless to i Grey Hunter Pack so the can rapid fire and assault, if i equip them with plasma guns this would be good against orks. Then there is Njal who can use his powers to snipe from distance, stop infiltrators and scare deepstrikers. Its a hard choice to make. Or i could sacrifice a vindicator and some boots on the ground and have both but i don't know if this would be worth it. What does everyone think?

[old git]

Depends on the other guys army but seeing as it's orks I'd go with Logan. Orks generally want to get into combat with you at the earliest opportunity. Wolves are good at cc too so buffing your force with the Old Wolf, especially if you're facing Ghazkull, would be the best bet, for me at least.

[Chucku]

At this point I prefer Logan. Wolf Guard as Troops, Axe Morkai and the USRs he provides are just too awesome for words given my play style.

[Toasterfree]

id say neither of them, id go with ragnar. he gets massive amounts of attacks, and will go before EVERYTHING in his army. id use 1 or two units of LFs kitted out with MLs and HBs and LCs to provide your heavy cover. a razorback to get a crack pack of 5 WG with ragnar, and arm that RZBK with hbs, or even TLPG/LC. keep your vindie, your gonna want it, but if your trying to ditch points a whirlwind is well worth its weight in gold against orcs.

[DV8]

Not to mention that Ragnar is amazing at grinding attacks because of his Saga of the Warrior Born. Charge him into the heart of the enemy army and watch him weep as Ragnar stacks up attack after attack. Back him up with a healthy horde of Grey Hunters and Wolf Guard and you're good to go!

 

 

DV8

[Chucku]

Ragnar would be a great HQ if he had Eternal Warrior. I absolutely hate having a 200+ pt character die to one Power Klaw hit in the first round of melee.

[Evilbob]

Something tells me you'll end up playing Orks more than once in your life, so try everything out until something works. I usually take Njal against orks over Logan just for all the cool spells that hit a lot of targets. He really softens stuff up before the BC's flame boyz and charge in for the kill.

[Karsus]

Jaw of the World Wolf will work well with such low-Initiative army like Orks. So... I prefer Njar

[Wolf Guard Dan]

against orks i would say ditch both logan and njal then add two rune priests each with JoWW and some other powers. you do not really need the boosted nullify effect that njal has or all of his psychic powers.

 

If your army is built to fit either Njal or Logan, i would say go with logan if you had to pick. you are going to see alot of combat against orks.

[Wildfire]

Grey Hunter Pack so the can rapid fire and assault, if i equip them with plasma guns this would be good against orks.

 

Flamers would be better vs. orks. And I would say neither. I don't feel either is particularily good vs. orks, you ought to be able to make a better WL yourself by customizing his gear. For instance, you could almost get 3 WGBL for Ragnar's cost.

[Firedrake28]

Probably Njal. Murderous Hurricane is brutal against large units of Orks and can mess up things like Nob Bikers pretty well, too. Then of course there's Jaws for Nob-sniping and all the other powers.

[Toasterfree]

Grey Hunter Pack so the can rapid fire and assault, if i equip them with plasma guns this would be good against orks.

 

Flamers would be better vs. orks. And I would say neither. I don't feel either is particularily good vs. orks, you ought to be able to make a better WL yourself by customizing his gear. For instance, you could almost get 3 WGBL for Ragnar's cost.

but you would have one that would wreck house with warrior born, what ragnar brings for his points is a lot of pain that stacks up really fast against orks. the vast numbers that his unit will drop and himself will far out weigh your 3 WGBL.

[antique_nova]

Njal because of his tempest abilities and all the lovely spells. which can do more than ragnar and Logan.

Initiative test to kill him? i will have that anyway, because it ignores eternal warrior and it can make untis go on dangerous terrain. also if you move around and don't combat orks. then his tempest ability will wreck any ork squads witin 18inches of him.

thanks

antique_nova

[Xtee]

Njal because of his tempest abilities and all the lovely spells. which can do more than ragnar and Logan.

Initiative test to kill him? i will have that anyway, because it ignores eternal warrior and it can make untis go on dangerous terrain. also if you move around and don't combat orks. then his tempest ability will wreck any ork squads witin 18inches of him.

thanks

antique_nova

 

 

what ignores eternal warrior?

[eyeslikethunder]

jaws of the world wolf ignores it or rather gets around it

[Wispy]

Njal. Oh man, popping a battle wagon and making his boys march towards you with murderous hurricane and all his other crazy D6 weather effects? priceless.

[Valerian]

Depending on the rest of your army, you can do well with Njal, Logan, Ragnar or none of these - choosing instead some generics for your heroes, against Orks.

 

My personal preference is Ragnar and a generic Rune Priest, and I can make them work for me because they fulfill a role in my army. Each has a job to do and each does it well.

 

Valerian

[lunchb0x]

BOTH.

[Clone]

I've got Njal in my list and am thinking of use another Rune Priest with a Chooser. That way I can shut down Inflitrators at my deployment zone and another prime spot.

[Valerian]

I've got Njal in my list and am thinking of use another Rune Priest with a Chooser. That way I can shut down Inflitrators at my deployment zone and another prime spot.

 

Assuming that you are still talking about playing against Orks, a Kommando unit with Boss Snikrot can enter play from the Space Wolves board edge (like our Wolf Scouts). There is no reason for them to actually deploy by Infiltration, so the Choosers won't help you much. The only downside to taking Snikrot is that the unit can't take a Power Fist, but the two Burnas can act as Power Weapons in close combat, so it can still be a decent unit in close combat.

 

V

[jimmyjames2112]

against orks i would say ditch both logan and njal then add two rune priests each with JoWW and some other powers. you do not really need the boosted nullify effect that njal has or all of his psychic powers.

 

If your army is built to fit either Njal or Logan, i would say go with logan if you had to pick. you are going to see alot of combat against orks.

2 Rune priests cant have JotWW Spells are counted as wargear and space wolve rules say 2 HQs cant have the same wargear choices (defaults being differtn as well as named characters) So you would have to have a Rune priest and Njal to do that.

[antique_nova]

it says psyhic power AND wargear combination. they worded it wrong. it only says that they cannot have the same psyhic power combination in addition to the same wargear combination.

thanks

antique_nova

[Valerian]

it says psyhic power AND wargear combination. they worded it wrong. it only says that they cannot have the same psyhic power combination in addition to the same wargear combination.

thanks

antique_nova

 

Actually that is a misquote. It says, "no two characters may bear the same saga, nor may they bear the same psychic powers or wargear combination."

 

Based on the actual wording the rule can be interpreted in either of two ways, both have been discussed multiple times in other threads, so I won't bother to repeat them here.

 

V