Ramming? Why does it even exist?

[DarkGuard]

Land Raider (front armor 14) vs the weakest possible armor (10). It moves 12" (+4), is a tank (+1), and has 4 more armor (+4) for a total Str 9 hit.

 

Completely. Useless.

 

If it's Open Topped, you get a +1, right? So that's *something*. If you're on a road (when does that happen?) you could move 18", getting a Strength 11 hit. Even then, why would you bother, unless you had no weapons left and no use for a behemoth transport?

 

I suppose while the damage is completely meaningless (in almost all cases I can imagine), it does allow you to break the "models cannot be placed within 1" of enemy models" rule, which could prevent a tank from moving maybe, or block enemy infantry from passing, or embarking/disembarking.

 

Has anyone ever used Ramming with any effect? I wonder what?

Eldar Waveserpent- moves 36" in a single turn +12, is tank, +1, Armor 12 +2= technically a strength 15 hit. Heck, drop the extra 12" from star engines *as some disagree with this method* and you still have a strength 11 hit.

 

Tell me its not worth it to be able to ram that into the side armor of a warhound titan. Or that once its guns shot off you wouldnt take a strength 10 *maxedout* against an opponents landraider.

 

By 36" in one turn are you referring to Star Engines. I thought that the extra movement was only used in the Shooting phase, while Ramming takes place in the Movement phase. So the max distance a Wave Serpent can move for Ramming is 24" (flat out). Forgive me if I'm wrong.

 

Also, you can't get a stat above 10, Main Rulebook, page 6, near the bottom of the first column.

1) I noted that it was str 10 was maxed out, the other number was just showing math.

2) Its open to interpretation. Tank Shock is found in the movement section, but theres nothing that says it has to be done in the movement phase. Pg. 68-69. Adepticons FAQ said that they would not allow star engines to be included in the total movement, but they arent official GW.

 

And yes, you have to be a tank to Ram- Because its a special kind of tank shock, wich *as seen under the heading TANKS on page 68* can only preformed by tanks that are mobile. Sorry!

 

Edit: Sorry again! You cant get more than one Iron Priest in a vehicle- theyre not independant characters.

 

1) Sorry, was late and must have missed that when reading you're post.

2) I agree with you here that this issue is open to interpretation, my interpretation being that ramming is done in the movement phase. If it is a special type of tank shock (which IIRC is movement phase only), then I would say that ramming is movement phase only, but I could be wrong.

[Grey Mage]

Youd be wrong... you just have to be moving your "full rate" and declare you are tank shocking. It says nothing about any phase... though that is potentially an oversight.

[DarkGuard]

Youd be wrong... you just have to be moving your "full rate" and declare you are tank shocking. It says nothing about any phase... though that is potentially an oversight.

 

OK then, thanks for pointing that out. An FAQ would be nice to clear this up.

[Grey Mage]

Youd be wrong... you just have to be moving your "full rate" and declare you are tank shocking. It says nothing about any phase... though that is potentially an oversight.

 

OK then, thanks for pointing that out. An FAQ would be nice to clear this up.

Yeah, *shrugs* the adepticon FAQ talks about it, but they arent official... *sighs*.

 

BTW- I apologise if that came off as offensive, I didnt mean it that way but rereading it the next day Im afraid I may have come off as an ass. :S.

[DarkGuard]

Youd be wrong... you just have to be moving your "full rate" and declare you are tank shocking. It says nothing about any phase... though that is potentially an oversight.

 

OK then, thanks for pointing that out. An FAQ would be nice to clear this up.

Yeah, *shrugs* the adepticon FAQ talks about it, but they arent official... *sighs*.

 

BTW- I apologise if that came off as offensive, I didnt mean it that way but rereading it the next day Im afraid I may have come off as an ass. :S.

 

No worries, you didn't come off as offensive at all. Nothing wrong with correction.

 

On topic, I'd say that ramming is very useful when you can't fire any weapons (or have no guns), have a good run up at a weak vehicle and want some fun. :D

[thade]

This thread incited me to try out ramming, which I did for my first time against a Rhino, using my LRR.

 

The ram inflicted an easy penetrate, which netted me a Shaken result on the Rhino.

I fired the LRR's melta as it's PotMS shot, and rolled a 2.

 

A little anticlimatic, but it did put my LRR right in the heart of the bad guys, allowing me to deliver it's payload. (i <3 my vanguard)

 

Still, that's two potentially transport-popping hits while moving at 12", which is pretty amazing.

[chapter master 454]

This thread incited me to try out ramming, which I did for my first time against a Rhino, using my LRR.

 

The ram inflicted an easy penetrate, which netted me a Shaken result on the Rhino.

I fired the LRR's melta as it's PotMS shot, and rolled a 2.

 

A little anticlimatic, but it did put my LRR right in the heart of the bad guys, allowing me to deliver it's payload. (i <3 my vanguard)

 

Still, that's two potentially transport-popping hits while moving at 12", which is pretty amazing.

 

I can't use ramming with a LRR, mainly because it's painload includes lysander and 4 chainfists! (and trust me, 12 chainfist attacks will hit at least once even against you 12" movers!)

 

On a side note: Thade, you seem to be a unique person in that you make a rather un-used, often called, useless unit for something useful. You remind me of how I am like that at GW falkirk and how others seem to find the TFC so un-usable since it 'needs' first turn (which is rubbish, it only needs first turn if you placed it wrong. I have had my TFC last an entire game and most times is only destroyed about turn 3) but yet I use it to devastating effect (which mirrors another guy there who couldn't pick the right round no matter what, hell I even told him while he was playing a match once to fire a certain round. it hurts to see a models spirit hurt so. Might buy it off him one day to give mine a Brother!)

[DarkGuard]

This thread incited me to try out ramming, which I did for my first time against a Rhino, using my LRR.

 

The ram inflicted an easy penetrate, which netted me a Shaken result on the Rhino.

I fired the LRR's melta as it's PotMS shot, and rolled a 2.

 

A little anticlimatic, but it did put my LRR right in the heart of the bad guys, allowing me to deliver it's payload. (i <3 my vanguard)

 

Still, that's two potentially transport-popping hits while moving at 12", which is pretty amazing.

 

Unlucky with the vehicle penetration results there, but hopefully that won't put you off ramming.

 

I never use Land Raiders myself, so my ramming comes from my Rhinos, but they have been impressive, I will forever remember driving a Rhino over a hill to smash through a Dark Eldar Raider. Quite a spectatcular moment for me and my opponent.

[Commander Sasha]

... I will forever remember driving a Rhino over a hill to smash through a Dark Eldar Raider. Quite a spectatcular moment for me and my opponent.

This is why we have Ramming! Tactically viable or not, the mental image of 40 tonnes of flyswatter flying through the air and landing on a spiky's boat is everything you need to know about why I play this game! Cowabunga!

[chapter master 454]

This thread incited me to try out ramming, which I did for my first time against a Rhino, using my LRR.

 

The ram inflicted an easy penetrate, which netted me a Shaken result on the Rhino.

I fired the LRR's melta as it's PotMS shot, and rolled a 2.

 

A little anticlimatic, but it did put my LRR right in the heart of the bad guys, allowing me to deliver it's payload. (i <3 my vanguard)

 

Still, that's two potentially transport-popping hits while moving at 12", which is pretty amazing.

 

Unlucky with the vehicle penetration results there, but hopefully that won't put you off ramming.

 

I never use Land Raiders myself, so my ramming comes from my Rhinos, but they have been impressive, I will forever remember driving a Rhino over a hill to smash through a Dark Eldar Raider. Quite a spectatcular moment for me and my opponent.

 

I have plastered a lone wolf with a rhino, 2 wounds remaining, eternal warrior that you idiotic unit choice (so If I don't kill him I get the kill point for him, If I kill I don't. Excuse me but then why is it called kill points? I mean you don't win battles by leaving survivors)

[Grey Mage]

I have plastered a lone wolf with a rhino, 2 wounds remaining, eternal warrior that you idiotic unit choice (so If I don't kill him I get the kill point for him, If I kill I don't. Excuse me but then why is it called kill points? I mean you don't win battles by leaving survivors)

You dont hurt enemy morale by killing people who have sworn to find their deaths either. Its not like the wolf players gets a KP when you kill him- you trade the KP for the lack of a threat.

[Dmikulasr]

Land Raider (front armor 14) vs the weakest possible armor (10). It moves 12" (+4), is a tank (+1), and has 4 more armor (+4) for a total Str 9 hit.

 

Completely. Useless.

 

If it's Open Topped, you get a +1, right? So that's *something*. If you're on a road (when does that happen?) you could move 18", getting a Strength 11 hit. Even then, why would you bother, unless you had no weapons left and no use for a behemoth transport?

 

I suppose while the damage is completely meaningless (in almost all cases I can imagine), it does allow you to break the "models cannot be placed within 1" of enemy models" rule, which could prevent a tank from moving maybe, or block enemy infantry from passing, or embarking/disembarking.

 

Has anyone ever used Ramming with any effect? I wonder what?

 

The best thing abour ramming is making your opponent mad. I have succesfully destroyed two chaos rhinos with one ram move and the guys inside then got toasted by my vindicator. I will admit the first hit was a lucky roll but rhinos won't hold up well to a raider plowing in to them.

[thade]

No worries, I am now a confirmed proponent of ramming. My poor Rhinos are going to meet some spectacular ends now.

 

On a side note: Thade, you seem to be a unique person in that you make a rather un-used, often called, useless unit for something useful.

 

=) I really appreciate it; thank you. It's sort of what I set out to do from the beginning. People told me Vanguard were useless, so I set out to show them otherwise. My Vanguard is now one of the more feared units in my club. Not bad for only a few months of playing. :D

 

The reason I haven't tried a TFC is that I hear it's a pain to model, involving both lots of filing and green stuff molding to fill in the gaps. I have a friend who's pretty amazing at modeling, so I might make a birthday request to get myself one of those to try. :D

[Grey Mage]

The reason I haven't tried a TFC is that I hear it's a pain to model, involving both lots of filing and green stuff molding to fill in the gaps. I have a friend who's pretty amazing at modeling, so I might make a birthday request to get myself one of those to try. :D

Ask around, see if anyone has an ancient model known as a "Thudd Gun".

 

Its got four barrels, a small mobile chassi, and used to fire a few shells out in a manner very similar to the "modern" TFC. Its the perfect substitute, 100% tournament legal gw mini, and about half the size.

 

Someone would probly give you one for like five bucks, or a bit of pizza.