wiplash Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 ok a little while ago i asked this question. basically about adding a wolfguard to logan and a long fangs squad in a drop pod... but im writing a list for a 1750 point army for thursday. now looking at that squad again and then at the rules i noticed that when logan grimnar is in an army Wolf Guard become troops choices. and hence SCORING :P so if logan grimnar leads a 6 man long fang squad and one wolfguard with cyclone missile launcher. would they count as a scoring unit as long as the wolf guard model is still alive? thanks in advance wiplash Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184448-an-epic-unit-idea/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
maznaz Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 ok a little while ago i asked this question. basically about adding a wolfguard to logan and a long fangs squad in a drop pod... but im writing a list for a 1750 point army for thursday. now looking at that squad again and then at the rules i noticed that when logan grimnar is in an army Wolf Guard become troops choices. and hence SCORING :P so if logan grimnar leads a 6 man long fang squad and one wolfguard with cyclone missile launcher. would they count as a scoring unit as long as the wolf guard model is still alive? thanks in advance wiplash No, pack leaders become part of the unit they are assigned to not the other way around. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184448-an-epic-unit-idea/#findComment-2179788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Arguments for both sides I'm afraid: Theoretically yes, because it can be compared to an independent character joining a scoring unit and not preventing the unit scoring. And if you think about it, separate packs count as scoring, even if a single model is in that pack. Theoretically no, because we're the only codex I know of to have something like this happen and the Wolf Guard isn't an independent character joining the squad, he's part of the pack and therefore the scoring does not apply. I'm unsure of this one, I'll be a git and sit on the fence, waiting for someone with more sense to reason it out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184448-an-epic-unit-idea/#findComment-2179791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiplash Posted November 10, 2009 Author Share Posted November 10, 2009 hmm yeah well i was thinking that it wouldn't confer onto the whole squad but he would keep the scoring ability so as long as he was alive it would work Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184448-an-epic-unit-idea/#findComment-2179797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobman Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 It would be along the same lines as Wolf Guard and Scouts. If you reason a Wolf Guard can join Scouts BEL then I'd say no to scoring units. Because you giving the Wolf Guard the unit ability with the Scouts but keeping his own unit abilities with the Long Fangs. My opinion is that they become part of the unit for all intents, like a very induvidual sergeant. But that's my opinion, I don't think there is anything concrete out there yet. Bobman out Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184448-an-epic-unit-idea/#findComment-2179813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maznaz Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Bloody hell there are some obtuse people out there. The ruling specifically states that wolf guard UNITS count as troops, not wolf guard models. If you don't have Logan in your army are you all trying to suggest that every pack joined by a wolf guard counts as elites? Don't be silly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184448-an-epic-unit-idea/#findComment-2179861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Bloody hell there are some obtuse people out there. The ruling specifically states that wolf guard UNITS count as troops, not wolf guard models. If you don't have Logan in your army are you all trying to suggest that every pack joined by a wolf guard counts as elites? Don't be silly. Wow, that is actualy a pretty good argument. :-D Does that mean the wolf guard that join scouts get the scout rules or not? Since the scout units have a certain sett of fules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184448-an-epic-unit-idea/#findComment-2179894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maznaz Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Bloody hell there are some obtuse people out there. The ruling specifically states that wolf guard UNITS count as troops, not wolf guard models. If you don't have Logan in your army are you all trying to suggest that every pack joined by a wolf guard counts as elites? Don't be silly. Wow, that is actualy a pretty good argument. :-D Does that mean the wolf guard that join scouts get the scout rules or not? Since the scout units have a certain sett of fules. From the FAQ thread at the top of the board it appears that question is still in dispute: - When adding a member of a Wolf Guard Pack to a Wolf Scout Pack as a squad leader, does that wolf guard member gain the abilities of the squad (Scout, Infiltrate, Move through Cover, Behind Enemy Lines)? * Yes, the wolf guard becomes a member of the pack he leads and gains the skills of that unit or No, the skills which are part of the scouts unit are specific to them and are thus not confered on any character or wolf guard who join them However my own feelings are that they can OBEL etc, because all of those rules specifically state the UNIT they apply to gets the rules, not the model. In that case it would include pack leaders as they count as part of the unit. As the FAQ shows though, it's still being debated. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184448-an-epic-unit-idea/#findComment-2179966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 It would not matter murcth to the shooty scouts, but imadine an forst wepaonds or two claws inside that scout pack! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184448-an-epic-unit-idea/#findComment-2179974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Bloody hell there are some obtuse people out there. The ruling specifically states that wolf guard UNITS count as troops, not wolf guard models. If you don't have Logan in your army are you all trying to suggest that every pack joined by a wolf guard counts as elites? Don't be silly. Sir, you have just made my day. This is one convincing statement in favour of not conferring it. Bash those cheese monkeys on the nose! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184448-an-epic-unit-idea/#findComment-2179991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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