Custodian Athiair Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 I have literal just finished the first Space Wolf book. And i have one pet peeve about it, that doesn't add up to Ragnars backround, the main thing to me about his backround. And that is the fact of he doesn't kill a Blackmane Wolf, at any point. And i always thought (excuse me if i'm wrong) that he killed a Blackmane on his trek back to the Fang as part of his initation. Ok he killed a wolf, but it was an old, heavily wounded and couldn't fight properly. And at no mention did it say that it had blck fur and was huge. So have i missed something, or did William King just forget that fact thanks a lot Athiair :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 It was later referred to in the second (I think) book as a Blackmane wolf but the detail was possibly slipped at first. What most people tend to note is the lack of Ulrik and the mysterious chap called Ranek who IIRC is a Rune Priest as choosers are, but no mentionof Ulrik as the mentor, or did they get rid of that in the new dex? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2180403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrahawk Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 One interesting tidbit concerning the Ranek/Ulrik conflict: William King's FAQ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2180409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 One interesting tidbit concerning the Ranek/Ulrik conflict: William King's FAQ That is possibly the best thing I've read so far this month! And of course they don't talk much of Ragnar's training, so there's still scope. In fact upon reading his entry in the new dex they don't mention either Ranek or Ulrik, just say he was discovered by a Wolf Priest, which confuses me again because the Rune Priests do the choosing ("hence chooser of the slain") and the Wolf Priest's patch him up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2180414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Corwin Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 In the first Space Wolf Codex it stated that it was the Wolf Priests who wandered Fenris and chose young men to be tested at the Fang to become Space Wolves. I just assumed that Ranek is Ulric and some imperial scribe wrote the name down wrong. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2180427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdal Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 because the Rune Priests do the choosing ("hence chooser of the slain") and the Wolf Priest's patch him up. I beg to differ. Our previous codex (3 ed./4 ed. )states that it is Wolf Priests that "undertake the recruitment and indoctrination of the young Blood Claw packs". Our new codex cements this even further. On the account of the Ulrik/Ranek-issue: I`ve been looking through the pages concerning both Ulrik and Ragnar and the only connection I`ve found betwen those two are in our previous codex where it is written that you cannot add +1WS to either Logan or Ragnar due to that they already have trained with Ulrik, "Ulrik was their friend and mentor". And I cannot see a problem in having two mentors, both Ulrik and Ranek. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2180444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted November 10, 2009 Share Posted November 10, 2009 Back on topic............... The first book was merely an introduction and not a compendium of information on one individual. The whole story of Ragnar is a long one and wouldn't fit in the one book...............which is why there are others (books). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2180503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custodian Athiair Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 ok thanks it's just the first book seemed mostly about ragnars induction, so i thought the Blackmane would of been in there. and i did wonder about Ulrik at one point i just forgot about it. Athiair B) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2181050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 and i did wonder about Ulrik at one point i just forgot about it. Heh, I remember, I was waiting for Ranek to die at some point of time in very dire circumstances - just to be replaced by Ulrik and avenged by Ragnar B). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2181053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 because the Rune Priests do the choosing ("hence chooser of the slain") and the Wolf Priest's patch him up. I beg to differ. Our previous codex (3 ed./4 ed. )states that it is Wolf Priests that "undertake the recruitment and indoctrination of the young Blood Claw packs". Our new codex cements this even further. And if I remember the last dex mentioned the Rune Priest used the Chooser of the Slain to select suitable candidates for training. Also I swear Ranek is a Rune Priest though I'm likely mistaken again. (I don't have access to the books and haven't read them in well over a year) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2181058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Ranek was a Wolf Priest. The Wolf Priests are recruiting the new aspirants for the SW. The Rune Priests test them for any hint of taints, their purity of their soul and such things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2181060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Also I swear Ranek is a Rune Priest though I'm likely mistaken again. No he is WP. The only place where Rune priests are mentioned in the books is at the end, when they "probed" Ragnar, whether there were any signs of Chaos corruption after his pack had confrontation with Thousand Sons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2181061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Righty-ho. So the Chooser of the Slain is another stupid name for a piece of kit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2181064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 Righty-ho. So the Chooser of the Slain is another stupid name for a piece of kit. I agree B). I's always been a mystery for me, why a piece of wargear associated with a Rune Priest is called CoTS, although the actual choosers are Wolf Priests. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2181066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madsakre Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 The first 3 books are badly written. If you notice it, then ranek is both wolf priest and rune priest from time to time. The books were getting way better when the lee lightner guys started to write them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2181076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 The first 3 books are badly written. Oh boy, that was very brave or foolish to say..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2181083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custodian Athiair Posted November 11, 2009 Author Share Posted November 11, 2009 The first 3 books are badly written. If you notice it, then ranek is both wolf priest and rune priest from time to time. The books were getting way better when the lee lightner guys started to write them. at no point do i think that Ranek is think a rune priest, all the time i thought he was a Wolf Priest. although you guys do have a point about the Choose of the Slain being a piece of equipment for Rune Priest. so things don't add up also i didn't realise that 2 guys wrote the books, i just thought it was all William King! mind you i have only just started reading them so i havn't noticed the difference of writers :) Athiair :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2181114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 The first 3 books are badly written. Oh boy, that was very brave or foolish to say..... Indeed... :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2181122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 also i didn't realise that 2 guys wrote the books, i just thought it was all William King!mind you i have only just started reading them so i havn't noticed the difference of writers :) I guess we just have to remember GW doesn't make sense a lot of the time... And the last books are written by two people who use the single pen-name Lee-lightner, so it's interesting to think how they did that, take a paragraph each, a chapter or just randomly pick and choose to hand over? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2181123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Bjoern Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 The first 3 books are badly written. If you notice it, then ranek is both wolf priest and rune priest from time to time. The books were getting way better when the lee lightner guys started to write them. at no point do i think that Ranek is think a rune priest, all the time i thought he was a Wolf Priest. although you guys do have a point about the Choose of the Slain being a piece of equipment for Rune Priest. so things don't add up also i didn't realise that 2 guys wrote the books, i just thought it was all William King! mind you i have only just started reading them so i havn't noticed the difference of writers :lol: Athiair :D At all it had been three guy. William King, Lee and Lightner. Lee and Lightner had written Sons of Fenris and Wolf´s Honour together. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2181127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted November 11, 2009 Share Posted November 11, 2009 And the last books are written by two people who use the single pen-name Lee-lightner, so it's interesting to think how they did that, take a paragraph each, a chapter or just randomly pick and choose to hand over? If You look at the final result (from the point of view of quality) - it could very much be so. Or they just write down different staff and try to stick it altogether. My personal opinion only. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2181140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
morkai's fang Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 One interesting tidbit concerning the Ranek/Ulrik conflict: William King's FAQ That is possibly the best thing I've read so far this month! And of course they don't talk much of Ragnar's training, so there's still scope. In fact upon reading his entry in the new dex they don't mention either Ranek or Ulrik, just say he was discovered by a Wolf Priest, which confuses me again because the Rune Priests do the choosing ("hence chooser of the slain") and the Wolf Priest's patch him up. no it is the wolf priests that are the choosers of the slain, ranek is a wolf priest not a rune priest. if you read the olf priest entry in the new dex it says something along the lines of "when the tribes of fenris go to war there can always be seen a distant mysterious figure these are the wolf priests" ranek and ulric are wolf priests, maybe ranek is ulric but has another title? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2213848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash113 Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 I have literal just finished the first Space Wolf book. And i have one pet peeve about it, that doesn't add up to Ragnars backround, the main thing to me about his backround.And that is the fact of he doesn't kill a Blackmane Wolf, at any point. And i always thought (excuse me if i'm wrong) that he killed a Blackmane on his trek back to the Fang as part of his initation. Ok he killed a wolf, but it was an old, heavily wounded and couldn't fight properly. And at no mention did it say that it had blck fur and was huge. So have i missed something, or did William King just forget that fact Ragnar's background does indeed include the slaying of a Blackmane Wolf, which is supposedly the type of Wolf he kills in the novel. Don't forget that the novel was written quite a few years ago, and that the fluff about Blackmane Wolves being as big as a Rhino is very new fluff. The discrepancy isn't really on the part of King. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2213857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamaNagol Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Because Black Library books are written by the author with their own artistic vision first, and adhering to canon second. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2214002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Lord Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 The current codex phrases it as "tall as a warhorse"- and even the Thunderwolf is not exactly Rhino-sized. What it is, is rhino-sized ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184488-the-book-space-wolf/#findComment-2214230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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