WolfLordLars Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Figured I would post whats been keeping me so busy lately. Well, not really... but its part of it. :lol: First picture is of my two models, each painted with the same colors, except for the base coat. One is using Krylon Grey/Uniform Grey spray primer. The other is using black primer and airbrushing a layer of Space Wolf Grey on to that. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/OmartheFalcon/Gaming/Novminis002.jpg Really basic paint scheme. The goal was speed, with as much detail as I could throw color on. Didnt bother building up layers, shading, etc. That would come with the 'dip'. Once I got them painted, I gave them a dip in The Army Painter strong tone. ( http://www.thearmypainter.com/ ) After the dip I let them dry for a day, then a layer of Testors Dull-cote. This is the result. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/OmartheFalcon/Gaming/SWFinish002.jpg My opinion, the SW Grey looks better. Not quite whats in the WD issues, but you can look at it and tell its a Space Wolf. The Dark Grey, while nice, just looks a bit too 13th Co to me... which isnt BAD, just not what I am going for. Thus, I might actually have a few painted packs by the end of the month. It took me all of 10-15 minutes on each model, and while they are not as high of quality as some I have seen, I want them painted and on the table.. not high quality painted and on the table, which I have not accomplished in the past 5-6 years. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted November 12, 2009 Author Share Posted November 12, 2009 Posted the updated pic, so refresh if its still showing the crap ones. What do you guys think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2181934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdeptusDavidus Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 As much as I like darker-colored Space Wolves, the lighter-toned one looks very nice. I think you should go with that. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2181943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted November 12, 2009 Author Share Posted November 12, 2009 Cool, thanks! The shading looks good? Thats all the dip, but I wasnt sure if I should go back over it and add highlights or some such after? The skin looked good to me, but the hair could use some white highlights. Same with the blade on the power axe.. though I seem to have cut that off in the pic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2181945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdeptusDavidus Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 They look pretty good to me. Easily tabletop quality. You might consider going back and hand-painting the eyes, though. The Army Painter shading stuff - which I've looked at doing for my DIY, 'cause I'm getting frustrated - doesn't give the eyes the gem-like "pop" that I think would really make the mini look complete. Also, if you haven't bought any yet, pick up some "Pledge with Future Shine" (Future Floor Polish). It's an acrylic clear that will level out any rough surface - apply it to your marines' eyes, and to the metallics, to smooth out that rough matte surface and really bring out the shading. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2181956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted November 12, 2009 Author Share Posted November 12, 2009 Hadnt thought about it for the eyes, I liked the matte on them, brings out the color more than gloss (which seemed to glare from light more than show the color). I have a bottle of the stuff, mixed it up 1:1 water:future. Got any examples of what your talking about with the metallics and such? Would like to take a look on a model, see what it is that I am trying to do. :woot: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2181958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdeptusDavidus Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Sadly, no. None of my toy soldiers are painted ( :woot: ). I had used Future extensively on military models for years, but those have long since been packed away, and I never had any photos of them. Basically, though, a matte finish works by making the surface rough, and breaking up the light. In so doing, it can make colors lose some depth, since the light doesn't make it all the way to the object and all the way back out to your eye. A high-quality clear gloss, like Future, levels out the rough surface created, and lets the light transfer more directly. On the eyes, the reflectiveness won't be a major factor, since they're kind of hidden away. Meanwhile, on the aquila/imperialis on the chest, it's a more prominent part of the model, so a clearcoat might not be desireable, though it will sharpen up the color and shading. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2181960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted November 12, 2009 Author Share Posted November 12, 2009 Ah, ok. I will give it a try, this is my test model. Personally, I dont like any part of a model to shine. I guess its since I couldnt see any part of a space marine shining if I were to look at a 'real' one. The eyes would glow more than shine, which is how they look (to me) with the layer of dull-cote. Will give it a try though, might just do one eye for the side-by-side comparison. The chest eagle is out, I really prefer that subdued, though I am going to go with a darker gold for other models. The gun parts.. maybe? Like I said, it might just be me, but I am really hesitant to make any part of it shiny, for the above mentioned reason. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2181961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Holy crap man, those are awesome! How do you measure the dip so that its the right... well, effect? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2181971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted November 12, 2009 Author Share Posted November 12, 2009 You know.. I sound like a spokes-person for these guys (I wonder if I could get a sponsor...), but their product did all the work. Had I not gone down to a local store and seen the models myself before picking it up, I wouldnt of believed it either. Basically, I painted it up like the first picture. Real simple, just making sure paint was where it needed to be, but no real fuss. In some places, I even messed up on the painting, but as long as it was in a joint or some such, didnt worry much (like the black around the legs/arms). Let the paint dry, then got the can of dip. Shook it up, popped the top, grabbed the base with a pair of pliers, dipped the model in to the base, pulled it out and let it drip back into the can for a minute, then gave it a shake or three. The 'how-to' video on the site helped me, I didnt shake my first test model.. but used a Q-tip instead, and I like shaking it off. Anyway, after giving it a few shakes I had to dab up a spot or two where it pooled and I didnt like it (like the top of the back pack, or in the vents) and let it dry. Dull-cote the next day, and thats what you see there. I have done no work to it other than whats in the pics (and painting the base an earth tone). The shade did all the work for me. Golden-demon quality? Not at all. But a damn good looking finish that was fast and easy for my limited painting skills? Heck yes! My next project is to time how long it takes me to do a full pack, from start to finish, with decals. Then I will post those pics. Edit: I have been told you can brush it on, and since I didnt really want to dip my 15mm Flames of War models, I painted it on there. It went on a little thinner than I liked, and I had to use some lacquer thinner to clean the brush, but not bad. For 40k/WFB models, dipping it in is the way to go. Pic of FoW model is below for reference. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v206/OmartheFalcon/Gaming/Novminis008.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2181976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Wait, wait, wait and hang on a minute. You're telling us that after the base-coat, you used the "wonder dip", let them dry and then matte varnished them.....?! They look A MAZING!! Sure, you could add some edging, etc. but they look really good. I can't actually believe it. I won't believe it. You are actually a salesman for the company and got an Eavy Metal painter to whip out a quick SW for you and now your in cahoots! That seems much more reasonable than the "wonder dip" theorim. :yes: They look really good. :woot: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2181994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlk Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I... I think I love you, Lars... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2182018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Can you apply this stuff using a brush? I don't fancy dipping as such, as I'm worried about pooling round the leag greaves.... They look really great! I'm most impressed :lol: I need to paint up some grey hunters quickly (or a couple of squads more like) and this seems a great method!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2182066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorgad Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Those models are looking great, WolfLordLars! I'm glad another of the Fang has discovered the joy of dipping :lol: 'course, I much prefer the grey guy on the left, but then...I may be biased ;) You can apply the dip with a brush just as easily as you can "dip" your models in it. I don't recommend dipping a Dreadnought as opposed to painting the dip on, by the way ;) The way you avoid the pooling of the dip though, is to shake or spin the models. I've been doing a good bit of dipping since I got into the hobby again at the beginning of 5th ed (You can check out some of my dipped bloodclaws in the gallery thread), and the way I usually do it is this: *Assemble the models. *Prime the models using whatever colour will cover the largest surface on the model. (I personally use a codex gray spray.) *Paint the model, but favor speed slightly over detail. (See WolfLordLars' models.) *Optionally, you can highlight your model using very light colours, compared to your base. The highlight will be very dampened by the dip, but it can yield good results. (I personally use a lighter grey, and then a bit of white). *Prepare a cardboard box or other well-spaced thingamajig with walls, so the dip won't go everywhere when you shake it off. *Fasten a flat-headed nail to the model's base, and make sure to use some strong glue, cause... *Find a drill, cordless or otherwise, and screw the nail with the model tightly on where the... Well, drill of the drill would usually be. *Immerse the model into the can of dip completely, and then hold it over the can and shake it downwards slightly to let excess dip drip back into the can. *When you can't drip anymore of the dip off of the model, quickly lift the model from the can o' dip over into your prepared cardboard box. *Give the model two good spins with the drill, and be careful of dip-spatter ;) *Check the model out. If there's an excess of dip still on it, give it a good spin more. Be careful though, as you can end up spinning too much dip off. *It takes about 6 to 8 hours for the dip to properly settle on the model, and in my experience it's a good idea to leave a bit more on the model than what you actually want on it, since some of it will pool on the base. *If you notice pooling around the shoulderplates, legplates, or anywhere else on the model, grab a tissue and dap it off. *Done spinning the model? Sit it down with the nail through a box or something, and let it dry. *Come back about 6-8 hours later, and it should be dry and ready to fight! Of course, this is just my own personal way of doing it, so your mileage may differ ;) What I do want to warn though, is that physically shaking the dip off of the models is very unreliable compared to using a drill. It IS possible though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2182095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Excellent, great tips there! I think i'll apply it via tank brush :lol: I made up my own verison of army painter last night to use on a unit of partly painted skyclaws (Game colour borwn, ogryn flesh ink, dab of black, water and klear floor polish) which yielded very nice results over minimally highlighted/base colours. So I am very tempted!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2182102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CainTheHunter Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I think, if You use the brush, it's what they call splash-on technique: Damn, this stuff looks promising. I am going to order some of these and give it a try - dunno still, which one to take - strong tone or dark tone - I know You used strong tone here, but the last one is noted to be ideal for grey, blue minis... And I don't like the brown shading. Any tips? Is dark tone fine on SW minis? Btw, can I use the hairdryer on them afterwards to speed things up a bit? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2182105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 ah yes, very interesting indeed.... I think I'll be brushing it on like an ink, and if it needs 2 coats thats fine! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2182118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0m Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Here are some samples from the Army Painter "Strong Tone" - simple, effective and DAMN fast! http://www.farbreaktor.de/wolves/sw_pic/the_wolves-2.jpg http://www.farbreaktor.de/wolves/sw_pic/the_wolves-6.jpg http://www.farbreaktor.de/wolves/sw_pic/the_wolves-8.jpg http://www.farbreaktor.de/wolves/sw_pic/the_wolves-9.jpg http://www.farbreaktor.de/wolves/sw_pic/the_wolves-10.jpg http://www.farbreaktor.de/wolves/sw_pic/the_wolves-18.jpg http://www.farbreaktor.de/wolves/sw_pic/the_wolves-19.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2182121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Verry interesting indeed! Definately need a good matt coat afterwards! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2182169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted November 12, 2009 Author Share Posted November 12, 2009 Yup, this stuff works. So far I have done orks, necrons, blood angels, Germans, and now Space Wolves. I would stick with the Strong Tone. The models I have seen with the Dark tone are a bit TOO dark. The webpage pictures dont look like the models I have seen in person after a dip in the dark tone... almost looks like they were touched up. But, could be how they did it. Yes, you can brush it on. Going to try doing that with a Drop Pod next week when I have time to finish painting it. Will post pics. For infantry, dipping just seems quicker. Also, some pooling is necessary. The 'shake' tends to get rid of it, and you can collect the rest with a Q-tip, but if you want to brush it on, go for it. My suggestion, paint up a 'test' model first to get the hang of it. There are a few minor things I will adjust for playing models. This product is AMAZING! And Soooo easy. All I need are hot models to show off my mini's and a fat contract... telling you, I could do this! ^_^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2182343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WolfLordLars Posted November 12, 2009 Author Share Posted November 12, 2009 Oh, and as for the question about a blow dryer to speed it up.. personally, I wouldnt. I have heard tales of discolored finishes when the matte is applied too soon, even some who said the matte finish 'cracked'. Not sure HOW this happened, but it seemed to be folks in a rush. I didnt wait a full 24-hours to dull-cote, more like 18-20, but I let them dry overnight and well into the next day. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184584-repainting-my-wolves/#findComment-2182349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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