Custodian Athiair Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 I was looking at the Lexicanum stuff on Ragnar Blackmane (which is incredibly short for someone so well known) and it says that Njal the Rune Priest is in Ragnars Wolf Guard unit. I was shocked by this, because it can't of been in the books surely (haven't read them, reading them but only on the second book so no spoliers please) and thought that why would the most powerful Rune Priest be attached to a Wolf Lord, and more specficaly the Wolf Guard, it doens't make sense. so can anyone lighten the subject for me, or has something gone aray, becuase also according to Lexicanum Ranek is the oldest and wisest of the Wolf Priest, which i always thought Ulrik was. Becuase i swear that Ulrik the oldest Space Wolf, outside of a dreadnought. so things don't seem to add up on quite a few acounts (i know have a topic about the first book, but this is something else) can anyone help Athiair :) ps. i know Lexicanum isn't great Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Well the novels are not to be considered Canon by GW. There's no mention in any of the books so far of Njal, perhaps if they do continue the series we will see him appear, I really want them to cover his ascension to Wolf Lord myself. I would have thought that Njal would be attached to the Great Wolf to offer his advice to Grimnar but apparently he doesn't want the best psyker the chapter has. I believe that bit of fluff came from the 2nd ed dex which I've still got to lay my hands on so I can only speculate. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2182132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jedipenguin Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 The only thing that I can think of as linking them is a story I remember from the second edition Codex that featured Njal as a member of Ragnar's landing party during a counterstrike on a Tyranid infested World. Long story short they land, much ass is kicked, Njal disappears into the forest, Ragnar stuffs a grenade in a Carnifexes mouth and blows up its head and Njal reapears from the forest carrying a Hive Tyrants head. Then the wolves gather their dead, set them on fire with a Hand Flamer (its might even have been Ulrik the Slayer carrying out the honours) and have a good old impromtu funeral pyre. Then back to base for some beer and a fight. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2182153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Back in the old days, Ragnar was the big daddy mac of the spacewolves, they were 'ragnars company' and there was no logan grimnar. Therefore, Ulrik and Njal (Nigel to his friends) both worked 'under' ragnar. However, in the current marvell timeline, Ragnar is now 'just' a wolflord, Ulrik is old as the hills, Ranulf isn't mentioned and Njal is the chief librarian. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2182175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Back in the old days, Ragnar was the big daddy mac of the spacewolves, they were 'ragnars company' and there was no logan grimnar. Therefore, Ulrik and Njal (Nigel to his friends) both worked 'under' ragnar. However, in the current marvell timeline, Ragnar is now 'just' a wolflord, Ulrik is old as the hills, Ranulf isn't mentioned and Njal is the chief librarian. Haah haah, you're an old 40Ker too :P *Leans back into his lounge chair and puffs quickly through his pipe, whilst administering a lit match to get it going again* "Ah yes, I remember when LoLo came along, seemed like quite a fearsome chap, if I do say so myself, mmmm, *gets lost in his own thoughts* yes quite fearsome indeed what with his Chaos infused axe....the Axe Morkai if I recall correctly. Yes, quite the character is that one, mmmm" ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2182188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Aye :P the 'different' old days (can't say good, cause rose tinted specs, and the fact that back then I was a poor kid barely able to buy a blisterpack). Lol! back when salamanders were salamanders green, when ultramarines had yellow shoulderpad rims, when Orks were funny etc. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2182194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raulmichile Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Aye :) the 'different' old days (can't say good, cause rose tinted specs, and the fact that back then I was a poor kid barely able to buy a blisterpack). Lol! back when salamanders were salamanders green, when ultramarines had yellow shoulderpad rims, when Orks were funny etc. :) And where Squats were still around with their funny bikes and sqaut exo-armour that was like an armoured egg with legs. :P Sorry Squat fans, I had to say it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2182528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted November 12, 2009 Share Posted November 12, 2009 Back in the old days, Ragnar was the big daddy mac of the spacewolves, they were 'ragnars company' and there was no logan grimnar. Therefore, Ulrik and Njal (Nigel to his friends) both worked 'under' ragnar. What old days are you talking about? Ragnar has been a Wolf Lord and Logan Grimnar the Great Wolf since White Dwarf 156 (December 1992) which described the "revised" chapter organization, and White Dwarf 157 (January 1993) that had the Army List. These predated the codex for 2nd edition by about 18 months (which also had Logan in charge and as a playable special character). The only Space Wolves army list before WD 156/157 was in the Book of the Astronomican (1988) in which the Wolves weren't any different than any other Marine chapter, and there was no Logan, Ragnar, Njal, Ulrick, or anyone else known to us (just Commander Enoch and Captain Storm, and the boys pitted against an Ork Governor in a four-part campaign). Njal's first miniature originally appeared in WD 157 or 158, and was tagged as a "Rune Priest of Ragnar's Great Company". In the 2nd edition codex all Priests were moved to the Company of the Great Wolf for permanent assignment, but were still parcelled out to support the 12 Great Companies, as needed. Njal maintained his relationship with Ragnar, and usually accompanied him into battle. Also, according to his second edition entry, Wolf Priest Ulrick is the oldest living Space Wolf (Bjorn don't count), and remembers Logan as a young pup. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2182820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 I'm pretty certain Logan wasn't in the second ed codex.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2182836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlk Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Well the novels are not to be considered Canon by GW. There's no mention in any of the books so far of Njal, perhaps if they do continue the series we will see him appear, I really want them to cover his ascension to Wolf Lord myself. I would have thought that Njal would be attached to the Great Wolf to offer his advice to Grimnar but apparently he doesn't want the best psyker the chapter has. I believe that bit of fluff came from the 2nd ed dex which I've still got to lay my hands on so I can only speculate. Well... unless Njal ISN'T the absolutely most powerful Rune Priest in the Chapter and there's just someone even more badass who stays with the Old Wolf :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2182850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitebeardixon Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 i think it obvious that Njal, a wise and powerful runepriest, is there to give ragnar, the youngest wolflord whos personality is more comparable to a blood claw then greyhunter advice on and off the battlefield, and i bet logan had njal join him great company Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2182854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 I'm pretty certain Logan wasn't in the second ed codex.... He most definitely was, and cost 140 points at the time. He could take 3 wargear cards, one had to be the Axe Morkai, and one had to be the Pelt of Wulfen. It's not like I didn't flip through the old codex before I bothered to post the first time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2182876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki-LaughingDeath Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 I miss the days of overwatch, when I Guard was a thing to be feared.....*sniff* Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2183040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Aye :devil: the 'different' old days (can't say good, cause rose tinted specs, and the fact that back then I was a poor kid barely able to buy a blisterpack). Lol! back when salamanders were salamanders green, when ultramarines had yellow shoulderpad rims, when Orks were funny etc. I remember a few darker skinned Salamanders kicking about but generally I thought they were white (like every one else in 40K - do we whiteys go on a massive annihilation campaign? I don't know, maybe more innocently they pitched it at their audience....) Remember the pulsa rokkit, the bubble chucka and the shokk attack gun.... oh they kept that one :down: I'm pretty certain Logan wasn't in the second ed codex.... He most definitely was, and cost 140 points at the time. He could take 3 wargear cards, one had to be the Axe Morkai, and one had to be the Pelt of Wulfen. It's not like I didn't flip through the old codex before I bothered to post the first time. Yes our dear Valerian speaks true. We just needed a refresher or the right cues to coax the memory out. :sick: In WD 156 pg 22 under Ragnars mini fluff entry it reads: "The Great Wolf often chooses Ragnar's Company to spearhead any planetary landing." So though Lolo was not named there, it is shown that Ragnar was subordinate. Logan is named as Great Wolf in WD 156 pg 17. Just a bit of interference with the stories is all. nurglespuss, we'll have to go sit at the Saga tellers feet before next planetfall. :huh: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2183125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 LOL! I'll admit defeat, my memory gets worse with age! I always remembered Ragnar being in charge! LOL, not for the future so: never rely on my memory! I can't wait to get home this weekend and take a flick through that old codex (when the Mrs isn't looking of courses <_< to the bathroom!) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2183188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKav Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 It also says in the latest Codex that Erik Morkai's more stable twin, Irnist the Wise, is Rune Priest to the Great Wolf. So Njal probably serves as Ragnar's Skald. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2183343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 There seems to be a misconcpetion about Njal, he is NOT the chief Librarian of the Space Wolves. Don't get me wrong, he's one mean mother, but there is NO fluff to support any notion that he is just one of the Rune Priests of the Space Wolves, hell there is no fluff to support they even have a 'chief' rank as they don't have a librarium in the same sense of other chapters. It has already been noted in this thread that Logan's personal Runepriest isn't Njal. It seems that each Wolf Lord has a friend/mentor to act as his own personal Rune Priest while the other s go about their duties pretty much as they see fit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2183607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custodian Athiair Posted November 13, 2009 Author Share Posted November 13, 2009 oh theres a reliastion i thought that Njal was the chief rune priest. thats shocking. thats a good point so it could make sense for Njal to be there thanks Athiair :cuss Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2183620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 I just took "Psychic might to match any in the Imperium" and "Master psyker" to mean that he was, I mean Tigiruis is a master psyker and look at him. However you'd be right. I would have thought they would have detailed the best psyker in the Space Wolf chapter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2183621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 I just took "Psychic might to match any in the Imperium" and "Master psyker" to mean that he was, I mean Tigiruis is a master psyker and look at him. However you'd be right. I would have thought they would have detailed the best psyker in the Space Wolf chapter. They DID detail the best psyker in the Space Wolves chapter. But the Space Wolves work differently to other chapters, Njal is the best they have but he is allowed to use his abilities as he sees fit. As they don't seem to have a rank equivalent to chief librarian the wolves do things , as they do all things, their way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2183648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 You have a point there. Stupid Codex Astartes thing, who needs it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184601-njal-and-ragnar/#findComment-2183651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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