A very quick question

[TheKav]

I'm considering basing my Wolf army on the Wolfblade contingent sent to House Belisarius.

 

I was wondering what the esteemed denizens of the Fang think of this question:

 

Would each of the assigned wolves keep his Great Company's insignia on his shoulder, or is there a wolfblade emblem of which I'm unaware? (A big eye or something???)

 

Also...is the whole idea (Wolfblade leader "Counts as Wolf Lord" etc.) just too beardy?

 

Thanking you in advance.

 

Peter.

[Long Fang]

The insignia could go ether way I don;t have the book to hand, but Ragnar was still part of Berek thunderfist's great company, so leaving the insignia intact would seem to fit if you can't find a hard an fast answer.

 

As always tho I love this idea, maybe a wolfguard battle leader rather than a wolf lord?

 

Long Fang

[hmk17]

Wolf Guard Battle Leader would definitely be a great fit for the role.

 

The insignia, while described, was never fully shown in any art. Its a white eye with two white wolves (like the one from the Great Wolf's company) on either side of it on a black background.

 

Since the great company emblem IS the chapter emblem, and no Wolf is going to relinquish that, it probably would remain intact while the rank emblem (Blood Claw, Grey Hunter, etc.) would be replaced with the Wolf Blade emblem.

 

Love the idea, btw. Was going to use this idea to model up some Lone Wolves.

[TheKav]

On reflection a WGBL would be ideal. The reason I want to do it is to have a wide range of Great Company badges spread throughout the force. With maybe only one Rune Priest, one Wolf Priest and an emphasis on the Wolf Guard.

 

I just suck quite hard at painting. Does anyone know of any decals involving a large eye? I know I could make my own decals, but art and fine detail are not my thing!

[Veldrik]

I think it's a fantastic idea.

 

However if you plan on setting an entire army on it, you will be foot slogging, or using drop pods.

 

Story wise, using anything mechanised just wont fit.

 

For troops, space wolves get sent and become wolf blades

 

similar to space wolves who are sent as deathwatch.

 

Deathwatch move their left shoulder pad (chapter) to their right, and then add a new left with the deathwatch icon.

If I were you I'd do similar, but use the House Belisarius icon as the left shoulder.

the House Belisarius is a winged man surrounded by imperial symbols.

So just stick a man with wings on it.

The other option is just to use the great companies badges, as the navigators serve the great company, and vice versa (alhtough the ones serving the navigator might not necessarily be from that company)

 

For models, I dunno if I would use a wolf lord. Story wise I'd be going for a Rune Priest in runic armour, using JWW (to represent the third eye power)

 

for modeelling purposes grey tunics and pants, with gold spaundrons.

shaved heads, tats, with a grey scarf with runes all over it.

necklace is an eye with a wolf on each side (I'd just go for a gold chain, as the detail on the pendant would be minute).

Gold belt with laspistol and rapier.

head has third eye, but is commonly covered with a bandana

skin is pale to translucent (could do a cast and use a clear resin with some flesh dye.

eyes are black and larger than usual

tall and lanky.

 

If you want ideas, use this as a basis (this is a 50mm model - Inquisitor range)

 

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...otCatGameStyle=

 

 

Check out Rouge Trader for Navigator details too

 

I know that there is meant to be 24 navigators escorting the great wolf as his personnel retinue

 

so it might be the same in reverse, 24 space wovles escorting the navigator.

 

If you want a good fluff army, with one small exception, I'd stick in grimnar, however for story stuff I don't know what you would call him, as he doesn't quite fit, but he DOES give you access to wolf guard troops.

Otherwise, 2 small units of grey hunters with flags, and then 14 other troops.

I'd say 3 wolfy close combat critters (eg wolf guard battle leaders) and 11 wolf guard.

As they are supposed to be his body guard/retinue, I'd probably go with Runic armour and power armour, and not use termi armour (for fluff).

This is why I don't know what I would do with grimnar in the army.

Also, Lone Wolves wouldn't fit in the army much :( as they have the whole wanting to die thing. I probably also would not go MoW for fluff except in certain circumstances

Army wise, they both rock. :P but for fluff I'd maybe avoid it unless you can solidly justify it.

But it adds to a but load of fun though :) so maybe power armour lone wolves.

For thunderwolves, I'd include some BUT I would make the entire wolf to be like a bit metal/robotic wolf.

Completely robotic so that it's like the navigator built the wolf guard some robotic wolves to ride, so they can be high tech

 

You want each bloke to be as deadly as possible, but all in power/runic armour which makes it costly.

 

As for the rune priest,

 

For base models for the navigator, I'd have a look at the zealots for necromunda, or anything taht wears a tunic - chaos (also zealots), empire/bretonia, elves in tunics, imperial guard, eldar.

To represent a higher rank, if you lets say use s standard tunic from imperial guard or fantasy empire/bretonia I'd putty it to extend the cloak.

 

 

So:

 

navigator: rune priest, JotMM, runic armour, a stack of other upgrades (talisman etc), maybe a jump pack, model it appropriately.

If you want a laspistol, then use the plasma pistol, otherwise I'd go (combat wise) the storm bolter. Or just use the laspistol as a standard pistol (model the laspistol ongim somewhere. No idea which saga.

 

if taking grey hunters: one of each upgrade - special weapon (fluff wise, maybe plas, practically I'd go melta), plas pistol, power fist, wolf standard, wolf guard, MAYBE MOW if you want it.

 

Wolf Guard - for the unit that has the naviagor in it for FLUFF I'd stick in two guys with storm shields, and wolf claws, or better yet, one guy with storm shield, storm bolter and MoW so that he can go nuts in close combat and still shoot stuff

 

All wolf guard, atleast upgrade to storm bolters if not higher.

Can probably mix them something savage aswell, to make them all different, but each uber in his own right.

 

For WolfGuard BattleLeaders, wolf lords and Wolf Priests - upgrade like crazy, make em unique, and keep them in runic/power: Fluff wise these are just really good body guards

 

Also for the two wolf guards that join the grey hunters, I would take them from ONE units.

so a unit of 3, make two escorts and this leaves one by himself.

Stick that guy with a jump pack, and do what you want with him :)

 

 

As we are going non mech, I'd give them drop pods if it fit

Otherwise I'd stick EVERYONE in Land Raiders - I love LRC, but the standard LR has the lascannons which I could imagine as being easier to maintain on a navigator vessel. If you wish to model them nicely, I'd be making them all look quite well equipped with "high tech" mods.

 

4:30am, I'm falling asleep, better head off, finding it really hard to type.

 

Hope this helped!

 

It's giving me great ideas too.

[Veldrik]

double post

[TheKav]

@Veldrik

 

However if you plan on setting an entire army on it, you will be foot slogging, or using drop pods.

Story wise, using anything mechanised just wont fit.

 

Agree with you here. I think plenty of drop pods, or at the very most one of each vehicle.

 

The other option is just to use the great companies badges, as the navigators serve the great company, and vice versa (alhtough the ones serving the navigator might not necessarily be from that company)

 

That suits me alright. I was thinking either a mix of Companies in each squad or one squad from each Company....hmmmm

 

For models, I dunno if I would use a wolf lord. Story wise I'd be going for a Rune Priest in runic armour, using JWW (to represent the third eye power)

 

for modeelling purposes grey tunics and pants, with gold spaundrons.

shaved heads, tats, with a grey scarf with runes all over it.

necklace is an eye with a wolf on each side (I'd just go for a gold chain, as the detail on the pendant would be minute).

Gold belt with laspistol and rapier.

head has third eye, but is commonly covered with a bandana

skin is pale to translucent (could do a cast and use a clear resin with some flesh dye.

eyes are black and larger than usual

tall and lanky.

 

I have no intention of fielding a navigator. The Wolfblades are based on Earth, the navigators would be secure there and wouldn't need to venture beyond their enclave. The Marines would merely be following orders, doing navigator business on some distant world.

 

If you want a good fluff army, with one small exception, I'd stick in grimnar, however for story stuff I don't know what you would call him, as he doesn't quite fit, but he DOES give you access to wolf guard troops.

Otherwise, 2 small units of grey hunters with flags, and then 14 other troops.

I'd say 3 wolfy close combat critters (eg wolf guard battle leaders) and 11 wolf guard.

As they are supposed to be his body guard/retinue, I'd probably go with Runic armour and power armour, and not use termi armour (for fluff).

This is why I don't know what I would do with grimnar in the army.

 

I don't think I'd be fielding Logan Grimnar for any reason. If Ragnar Blackmane went as a Blood Claw (albeit as a punishment), then it would seem to me that any Wolf could be sent, be he Claw, Hunter, Long Fang or anything else.

 

Also, Lone Wolves wouldn't fit in the army much :) as they have the whole wanting to die thing. I probably also would not go MoW for fluff except in certain circumstances

Army wise, they both rock. :P but for fluff I'd maybe avoid it unless you can solidly justify it.

But it adds to a but load of fun though :) so maybe power armour lone wolves.

 

They don't fit the ethos alright. Being willing to lay down one's life for one's charge is admirable, being desperate to do so...not so much!

The idea of a lone super-charged bodyguard appeals to me, so maybe a couple of WGBLs. They'd fit in with the fluff as Torin/Haegr/Ragnar style characters.

Also, no MOTW for me. I doubt the Great Wolf, or any of the Wolf Lords would send someone so obviously suffering from gene disharmony to Terra!

 

For thunderwolves, I'd include some BUT I would make the entire wolf to be like a bit metal/robotic wolf.

Completely robotic so that it's like the navigator built the wolf guard some robotic wolves to ride, so they can be high tech

 

No wolves, I reckon. I doubt Thunderwolves are easily quartered in a Palace.

 

As we are going non mech, I'd give them drop pods if it fit

Otherwise I'd stick EVERYONE in Land Raiders - I love LRC, but the standard LR has the lascannons which I could imagine as being easier to maintain on a navigator vessel. If you wish to model them nicely, I'd be making them all look quite well equipped with "high tech" mods.

 

I don't think it'd be unfluffy for Wolf Lords to assign one vehicle each to the Wolfblades. I imagine there's little difference in the maintenance of one or other Land Raider. It's not inconceivable that the Wolfblades would have one on permanent secondment. Drop Pods are the fluffiest, however.

 

4:30am, I'm falling asleep, better head off, finding it really hard to type.

 

Sleep well. You must be unemployed or a student or equally blessed.

 

Hope this helped!

 

It certainly did!

[Veldrik]

guess who is still awake :P

 

For the Land Raider thing - it's more that if you are stuck on a ship where the crew etc all use lasers, and you have an optino of bolters or lasers, I'd go the laser (ie. lascannons).

So tahts a fluf thing :)

 

Regarding drop pods - it's mainly for how the navigator ships would reach the ground. It's only 24 dudes that get assigned, althogh they COULD have their own thunderhawk, but without it they've only got drop pods :( but then how do they even get the drop pods back i guess, so they must have a thunderhawk.

was that even in the book?

 

The wolfblades are supposed to be a retinue to the head navigator, so I was assuming that you might put him into the army too :) retinue follows the navigator around etc.

 

 

 

I'm seriously thinking about adding a retinue of allied ordos into my space wolf army just to stick in 24 navigators to escort grimnar around - most likely as cannon fodder :(

[WolfLordLars]

I was considering doing something like this for an apocalypse game, though with the new rules, you could take an Inquisitor, call him a high official in House Belisarius (perhaps a non-navigator member of the family), bring some IG (as house troops, paint them purple!), and a psyker (navigator or such). Just never quite got around to it.

 

I imagine they would keep their great company symbol, but maybe paint the background of them all the same color. Purple, perhaps, for Belisarius?

[Schertenleib]

Just chiming in...

 

I'm slowly working on the same project. This is what I'm working with.

 

I'm building a combined IG / SW unit.

 

Navigator (as she was in several scraps with the Wolves in the books)- IG Psyer (laspistol & CCW)

 

IG Troops and or Stormtroopers (this will be the bulk of the army as the Wolfblade is such a small unit)

The IG will have Chimera and Hellhounds.

 

The Wolfblade:

There is a character in the book that I would consider the "Wolf Lord" but he only is involved in one fight in the whole series so I'm leaving him out.

 

I'll model my own Ragnar and field him as a WGBL. (frost blade)

Three Wolf Guard in power armor. (one with a thunder hammer & one with a heavy bolter)

Two smallish units of Greyhunters

Also I'm converting a couple of landspeeders into buggies. (the Wolfblade has use of small armored cars.)

 

As for armored vehicles there is a part of one of the books where a Leman Russ tank rolls into veiw and the author says how this tank is better cared for than the Chimeras or the Rhinos. So I will have a Leman Russ and Rhinos for the Greyhunters.

 

I will not be using Drop Pods as this is more of a Planetary Assault craft IMHO and the Wolfblade would not be involved in such an action. Thunderhawks would be used though.

 

As I said this is my take on it and how I'M doing it. Your game do it your way :)

 

I would use Grimnar and much more SW equipment if I was playing Planetstrike or Apoc. I would just say that the Wolfblade is adding their help to honor the long partnership of House Belsaurius (sp?) and the Wolves.

 

As for insignia. I think one of the covers shows a modified Great Company symbol of a single silver eye (or star) between to white wolves on a black background.

 

Hope this is helpful.

[DV8]

I'm sorry, but I feel the need to clarify some of these points:

 

I think it's a fantastic idea.

 

However if you plan on setting an entire army on it, you will be foot slogging, or using drop pods.

 

Story wise, using anything mechanised just wont fit.

 

Wrong. While no Space Wolf vehicles are directly seconded to House Belisarius, remember that the Navigator house is one of the wealthiest, maintains it's own domain on Terra, and has it's own house army, complete with troops, armor, and armored support, of which the Wolf Blades have nigh on full access to.

 

For troops, space wolves get sent and become wolf blades

 

similar to space wolves who are sent as deathwatch.

 

The difference is in the reason. Marines are sent to the Deathwatch to gain experience fighting Xenos, and to serve the Inquisition. Those Deathwatch who return to their parent chapter than disseminate their knowledge and pass it on to their fellow battle-brothers. Win-win.

 

Wolf Blades are exiled to Terra. Most all of them are sent in shame, and thus sent away from their Chapter, their Great Company, and their brethren, and are only allowed to return to the fold when the Great Wolf has deemed they have atoned for their wrongs.

 

Deathwatch move their left shoulder pad (chapter) to their right, and then add a new left with the deathwatch icon.

If I were you I'd do similar, but use the House Belisarius icon as the left shoulder.

the House Belisarius is a winged man surrounded by imperial symbols.

So just stick a man with wings on it.

The other option is just to use the great companies badges, as the navigators serve the great company, and vice versa (alhtough the ones serving the navigator might not necessarily be from that company)

 

No. The Navigators serve no Great Company, and no Great Company serves a Navigator. It is a mutually beneficial, symbiotic relationship whereby the Navigators direct the fleets of the Space Wolves, and in return the Space Wolves will protect the Navigators where necessary, and House Belisarius benefits from having Astartes on Terra to help them defend their domains and when needed, to act as a surgical strike force.

 

For models, I dunno if I would use a wolf lord. Story wise I'd be going for a Rune Priest in runic armour, using JWW (to represent the third eye power)

I know that there is meant to be 24 navigators escorting the great wolf as his personnel retinue

 

so it might be the same in reverse, 24 space wovles escorting the navigator.

 

I'm sorry, no. While you're right, House Belisarius sends 24 of its best, finest Navigators to the Space Wolves, and in return the Space Wolves send 24 Wolf Blades to Terra to serve House Belisarius, neither are retinues. The Navigators sent to the Space Wolves are sent across the fleets, to my imagining 12 Great Companies means 2 Navigators per Company, directing their Battle Barges, etc.

 

In some instances Wolf Blades do escort or act as bodyguards to Navigators, but very VERY rarely in such numbers. Remember that House Belisarius does not fight all-out war. It is a political body on Terra, and as such its greatest threats are from subterfuge and assassination. As such it would be a waste of resources to have all 24 Wolf Blade guarding one Navigator, when you have an entire household of Navigators.

 

Make no mistake that Wolf Blade are a resource to House Belisarius, an asset to use tactically and sacrificially if need be to ensure the survival of the House.

 

If you want a good fluff army, with one small exception, I'd stick in grimnar, however for story stuff I don't know what you would call him, as he

 

Unfortunately, using a Space Marine codex is NOT the way to do a Wolf Blade "army". Consider using the Daemonhunters codex, using a Brother Captain (say in Runic Armor) with power-armored Grey Knights leading squads of Stormtroopers (House Guard) and inducted Guardsmen.

 

Alternatively use one of the =][= Codices, and ally Space Wolf units into the fold.

 

You will, unfortunately, not have access to such vehicles as a Land Raider, or a Dreadnought, but Land Speeders and Rhinos are conceivable (counts-as Chimeras, and House Belisarius does have skimmers that can be retrofitted with weapons).

 

 

DV8

[WolfLordLars]

Wolf Blades are exiled to Terra. Most all of them are sent in shame, and thus sent away from their Chapter, their Great Company, and their brethren, and are only allowed to return to the fold when the Great Wolf has deemed they have atoned for their wrongs.

 

Thats not confirmed, as far as I know.

 

Ragnar was sent there because of politics. The other wolfblades... they are SEEN as exiles, but not always so.

 

I think that view is more of how the 'rank and file' would see them, without really knowing for sure.

[DV8]

Whether they have been directly exiled or not, their presence at the Fang is not wanted, and so they have been "exiled" or "cast off".

 

 

DV8

[Veldrik]

I won't even bother revering to most of the reply as I'm at work, but for a few things:

 

An Honour Guard is a type of Retinue.

And the back of the book Wolfblade clearly states that the space wolves send space wolves to teh navigators as an Honour Guard.

 

All marines also must maintain their heraldry to be allowed to wear power armour, hence why ordos xenos has the deathwatch AND their chapter logo. so regardless if they are in exile or not - if they wear power army, they have to keep their heraldry.

[TheKav]

What a can of worms I have opened up.

 

DV8, thanks for the advice, but I want a Space Wolf Army, not =][= or anything else. Perhaps I'd just be better off with the Great Company of Erik Morkai.

[stinkenheim]

@ veldrik marines don't need to keep their iconography ton wear power armour. the reason deathwatch marines keep one pad painted in the chap[ter colours is to avoid angering the armours machine spirit/warrior spirit when it is repainted black. it is also a sign of honouring your chapter and not forgetting your roots. the wolfblade do not repaint their armour, merely the great company symbol and pack markins as they are no longer part of their original pack or copmpany, they are wolfblade.

 

some wolfblade are sent away because they have genetic flaws that only become aparant once fully transformed into a marine, take haegir and his appetite for instance. others don't fit into the structure of the space wolves, kind of like scouts struggle to fit into the 'civilised' space wolf society. some are sent away because of a slight to their companies honour or for some misdeed they have performed like ragnar losing the spear of russ. some, and i believ grimnar mentioned that he was a member of the wolfblade, are sent away to learn more about politics and dealing with certain branches of the imperium that a normal marine would never have experience of. in such cases it is almost used as training for space wolves that are expected to have a position of authority in later years (e.g some wolf lords or marines who will act as emissaries of the chapter).

whatever their reasons for becoming wolfblade they are treated as outcasts until they have redeemed themselves or the great wolf decides that they are able to return to the chapter. it is seen by the majority of the chapter as punishment hence why no matter the reasons for being sent the marines are viewed with disdain, as we all know those without honour have nothing and in a band of brothers if you dishonour yourself you will need to earn it back somehow.

 

@ theKav i would consider using C:DH to make the force as has been suggested, or at the very least a C:SW force with a very high number of inducted guardsmen and an inquistior as one of the HQs. maybe even have a lok at the old lost and the damned rules so you can attacth aspiring champions (or in this case space wolves) to units of guardsmen. it seems more likely that the space wolves would spread out through the ranks of the navigotors forces to act as leaders and pass on their training to the normal soldiers.

it may be simpler to just write up some apocolypse datasheets. or even talking to your regular opponents about taking say a unit of wolfguard as a HQ choice in an imperial guard army and attatching them to squads in place of a commissar.

[TheKav]

@ theKav i would consider using C:DH to make the force as has been suggested, or at the very least a C:SW force with a very high number of inducted guardsmen and an inquistior as one of the HQs. maybe even have a lok at the old lost and the damned rules so you can attacth aspiring champions (or in this case space wolves) to units of guardsmen. it seems more likely that the space wolves would spread out through the ranks of the navigotors forces to act as leaders and pass on their training to the normal soldiers.

it may be simpler to just write up some apocolypse datasheets. or even talking to your regular opponents about taking say a unit of wolfguard as a HQ choice in an imperial guard army and attatching them to squads in place of a commissar.

 

See my above post. I don't want a DH army or anything else. I'll just rework the fluff, a time of great need for House Belisarius, the Wolf Lords each required to send a dozen Marines. Count established Wolfblades as Wolf Guard or something.

[stinkenheim]

yeah when i posted that you hadn't put that last reply, thats what happens when you start posting and get told to take the trash out and then the list of things your mum needs help with suddenly becomes about a million things long :tu:

[TheKav]

yeah when i posted that you hadn't put that last reply, thats what happens when you start posting and get told to take the trash out and then the list of things your mum needs help with suddenly becomes about a million things long :)

 

That's why I post while I'm meant to be in work! :tu:

[Veldrik]

yeah when i posted that you hadn't put that last reply, thats what happens when you start posting and get told to take the trash out and then the list of things your mum needs help with suddenly becomes about a million things long :)

 

That's why I post while I'm meant to be in work! :devil:

 

Same!

 

What better way to read GW stuff then when being paid - i mean why do it for free?

[DV8]

I won't even bother revering to most of the reply as I'm at work, but for a few things:

 

An Honour Guard is a type of Retinue.

And the back of the book Wolfblade clearly states that the space wolves send space wolves to teh navigators as an Honour Guard.

 

This is a time where a single instance or phrase, is not meant to be indicative of the function or role of the Wolf Blades in their entirety. If you've read Wolf Blade (which I assume you have), you'll note that Ragnar, Torin, Haegr, and whats-his-face (whose name always escapes me) act beyond the role of bodyguards (or "Honor Guard" if you want to use the term). They perform acts of infiltration and subterfuge, acting as surgical strike tools for the House to scout out potential threats and take them out if necessary. They are also responsible for organizing the House Guard, and sometimes even train them (although I don't recall any particular instance of this, this is probably my conjecture only).

 

My point being, serving as bodyguard (or again "Honor Guard") is not their sole function, and even if that is their assignment, very rarely (if at all, again no particular instance of this happening) are all 24 Wolf Blade assigned to a single Navigator. Heck, even 3 or 4 Wolf Blades were capable and able to defend the Elders of the House. What other Navigator could possibly require 24 Astartes to defend them?

 

And once again keep in mind the Navigator Houses are not military bodies. Very rarely (save by quirky circumstance) will you find a Navigator at the forefront of a battlefield, since their main arenas are space ships, and in political circles.

 

All marines also must maintain their heraldry to be allowed to wear power armour, hence why ordos xenos has the deathwatch AND their chapter logo. so regardless if they are in exile or not - if they wear power army, they have to keep their heraldry.

 

I never said they did or didn't. I only put forth my stance against all the Wolf Blade acting simply as a bodyguard for a sole Navigator, or that all 24 Navigators act as a retinue to the Great Wolf.

 

What a can of worms I have opened up.

 

DV8, thanks for the advice, but I want a Space Wolf Army, not =][= or anything else. Perhaps I'd just be better off with the Great Company of Erik Morkai.

 

If you're attempting to build a fluffy force, I would suggest so. By their very nature Wolf Blade, as Stinkenhelm mentioned, are exiles, outcasts. It would be a rare Wolf Lord indeed who would send MORE marines to help them. I would raise many an eyebrow at anybody who even suggested using a Space Marine Codex (of any variant) to represent a "Wolf Blade" contingent.

 

Plus Wolf Blades serve on Terra. Good luck marching an army there to "help out".

 

Like I said, House Belisarius rarely fights all-out war. They are on Terra, in one of the most (if not THE most) heavily and well defended sectors/regions of the Imperium. The things House Belisarius faces are political assassinations, espionage, sabotage, etc. from other Houses/Factions.

 

 

DV8

[WolfLordLars]

Whether they have been directly exiled or not, their presence at the Fang is not wanted, and so they have been "exiled" or "cast off".

 

 

DV8

 

Again, can you cite a reference for this?

 

They are assigned to guard the house, thus why would they be in or around the Fang at all?

 

I think your mistaking the common attitude with the reality of the position.

[DasWolfei]

Thekav.

 

I love it here is an ale for joo! :rolleyes: I have read and reread the books. and doing something along the same lines. all foot and drop pods. Iam doing a mix of blood claws grey hunters long fangs and some wg in tda. Going by the set up were the wolves are under seige at the starport right befor there about to get blow to the great hall by the holmgang

[Lumdin]

I have read the books and all of the disdain that was given to the wolfblade was because of Ragnar. I think it was a young blood claw unit that blamed him for losing the spear of russ and the other wolf blades were included in insults when they stepped to ragnar's aid.

 

Logan sent him because there was dissention between the wolf lords on how they viewed his action by throwing the spear to stop the thousand sons monarch from entering the world. Logan saw reasoning behind what Ragnar did and decided to send him to terra to avoid fighting amongst his wolf lords and let time pass and things cool down.

 

From what I read the the wolfblade are individuals very similiar to wolf scouts that do not normally fit into a pack. It also doesnt make sense that an allaince with house belliarius that has been going on for 1,000 of years would have Great wolves sending space wolves that were with out honor or less than capable.

 

Plus the Space Wolves would go to war to protect house Belliarius Assets if they were called upon. From my understanding its an alliance, that has protected the house because outsiders know that open hostilities would bring repercussions from the space wolves.

 

And the books do say that the wolfblade train the house guard.

 

Just my 2 cents.

[Veldrik]

Your two sense has a good exchange rate: your post was very clear and informative - thankyou very much.