canis_wolfborn Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Alright, so we have a problem. Lukas has the pelt of the doppegangrel. By my understanding this can only be used if the entire squad has been wiped out except for Lukas because of the fact that it is used against any allocated to hit roles against him. But then what is the point of doing this if he is the last one in the squad since he has the stasis bomb. Just seems contradictory. Any thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184830-lukas-rules/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
traitor_dice Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 some kind of bizzare tarpit? by avoiding death he could keep a squad tied up, and when they do finally kill him, they get stasis bombed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184830-lukas-rules/#findComment-2184772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Alright, so we have a problem. Lukas has the pelt of the doppegangrel. By my understanding this can only be used if the entire squad has been wiped out except for Lukas because of the fact that it is used against any allocated to hit roles against him. But then what is the point of doing this if he is the last one in the squad since he has the stasis bomb. Just seems contradictory. Any thoughts? Because it's much better for him to live through enemy attacks and kill his opponent with his Wolf Claw, than to have him die and maybe take someone with him when goes down. It's not like the Stasis Bomb is a sure thing; it won't work if your opponent rolls higher than you do on a d6. I'd very much prefer he live, and the Pelt helps him do that (eventually). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184830-lukas-rules/#findComment-2184841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Well...I think he counts as a character, and in close combat you can direct attacks against characters, can't you? He is a lose lose situvation. Try to kill him and fail, kill him and he kills them back with stasis, do not kill him and he will dish you up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184830-lukas-rules/#findComment-2185041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 He isn't an Independent character though so he counts as a squad member and can't be singled out. and you don't allocate "to hits" you allocate "wounds" so yea unless he is by himself it has no effect. as to why, i think it is along the lines of a Dwarf Slayer. he wants to die honorably but when he does die he was to have the last laugh. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184830-lukas-rules/#findComment-2185068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niiai Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 That sounds weard. You shure? In that case Arjac Rockfist, the anvil of fenris is INSANE inside a blood claw pack. He is the 16th last to die, how wack is that? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184830-lukas-rules/#findComment-2185140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madsakre Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 arjac could be singled out in a blood claw retinue Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184830-lukas-rules/#findComment-2185149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdeptusDavidus Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Why could Arjac be singled out? He's not an Independent Character, though he does (IIRC - don't have codex in my lap at the moment) have to duel an enemy IC if there is one in the unit his squad attacks (which, I suppose, would let an enemy IC single him out in return). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184830-lukas-rules/#findComment-2185171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 the only time characters can be singled out in combat is if they have the 'Independent Character' special rule. if that isn't in their rules then they cannot be targetted seperatly regardless of which unit they are in. so arjac, lucas and any normal wolf guard will never be able to be picked out by enemy attacks unless the enemy character has a special rule over riding this (Srgt Tellion for example allows you to decide which models are removed as casualties from hi shooting iirc) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184830-lukas-rules/#findComment-2185172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rahl02 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Why could Arjac be singled out? He's not an Independent Character, though he does (IIRC - don't have codex in my lap at the moment) have to duel an enemy IC if there is one in the unit his squad attacks (which, I suppose, would let an enemy IC single him out in return). Yea Arjac is awesome, he can single out enemy IC's and wipe the floor with them and get almost no retaliation. It's so much fun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184830-lukas-rules/#findComment-2185177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 That sounds weard. You shure? In that case Arjac Rockfist, the anvil of fenris is INSANE inside a blood claw pack. He is the 16th last to die, how wack is that? well when he dies all depends on how many wounds the unit receives. if he has to have a wound allocated on him he could die from failing to many saves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184830-lukas-rules/#findComment-2185309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 on a side note there is a semantics issue with arjac and assigning him to a different pack. technically arjac ISN't a wolf guard, he is the Anvil of Fenris. He is chosen as an upgrade to a wolf guard and isn't one himself, much like lucas isn't a blood claw he is just lucas. now im not saying that arjac can't be assigned, just that some amy argue that point. i personally don't think arjac should be put into a unit of bloodclaws as in my opnion its far more fitting for him to lead a squad of wolf guards than a squad of bloodclaws but hey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184830-lukas-rules/#findComment-2185358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 well as logan's champion he would most likely be right next to him the whole time. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184830-lukas-rules/#findComment-2185370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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