rodgers37 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Hey, i have a club torney coming up in a couple of weeks, and really don't know what to use, i have played a few games with 2 diffrent lists i had, but neither had the enough reliability... I have: Logan, Njal, Ragnar, Wolf lord, Rune priest (in TDA) and i am going to buy a Wolf Priest..and Canis 19 Terminators (including THs, combi plasmas, WC/SS, a few of frost weapons Dreadnaught 5 Scouts 30 Grey Hunters (2 of each special gun, 2 power weapons, and a power fist, which don't need to be used, i can just use them as a CCW) 1 Space Wolves pack Spru... 4 Drop pods Land raider Redeemer Predator with only LC sponsons (it was from a friend, i didn't really want al LCs, but swapped it for 1 battlsuite, which i didn't want...) Oh and 30 Fen.Wolves (in a way i would like to use these, as i can paint them really easily....like 3/4 mins each.... at the most... spray white, dry brush lightly black, then grey...) I have enough money to buy a tank or two, i was thinking maybe a Razorback or two, possibley some devestators to convert... So please could someone help me :cuss Thanks in advance... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184879-need-help-making-a-competitive-torney-army-s/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSinon Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 how many points? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184879-need-help-making-a-competitive-torney-army-s/#findComment-2185468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 ops, i forgot all about that...1500 pionts, i have made loads of lists before, two or three seem pretty good, one of them i can't do because i can't get the Multi-Meltas... I was thinking, maybe have 2 squads of Long fangs, one for tanks (2 LCs, 2 MMs) and one for troops 2/4 HBs, 2 ML. each with a Razorback, Then have 2/3 squads of Drop Podding Grey Hunters, or use no Drop pods, and footslog, which may work, i used to do it loads with Chaos, but have only done it once with Wolves, against Daemons..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184879-need-help-making-a-competitive-torney-army-s/#findComment-2185895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Njal Stormcaller- TDA- 270pts. Wolf Gaurd *All TDA*- 2xLC+Meltabombs, PF+SB, PF+SB, TH+SS, CML, Frostblade, Frostblade- 341 Dreadnaught- TLLC, Heavyflamer, EA- 160pts. 10 Grey Hunters- 2x Plasmagun, Powerweapon- 175pts. 10 Grey Hunters- 1x Flamer, 1x Meltagun, Powerfist- 175pts. 10 Grey Hunters- 1x Flamer, 1x Meltagun, Powerweapon- 165pts. 15 Fenrisian Wolves- Cyberwolf- 128pts. 15 Fenrisian Wolves- Cyberwolf- 128pts. 5 Longfangs- 4xML- 115pts. 1497pts. Its a good footslogging list. The 2xLC guy goes with the Powerfist squad, the PF+SBs go with the Powerweapon squads. The rest are a bodygaurd for Njal, with the CML providing more long range fire support. Grey Hunters follow in the fenrisian wolves, dreadnaught holds a flank- Njal slight offset to the other side, with two GH packs between them- one melta/flamer and the 2xPlasmapack, the other melta/flamer going on the other side. Long fangs deploy in cover with as good of firing lines as you can acheive. Try to atleast stun enemy tanks, particularly templates. Expect the wolves to die, alot- theyre just there to get you into combat. Stormcaller can help with this, giving them a good cover save. If your close, feel free to have them go to ground in order to improve said cover save while your GHs assault the next turn. Against assault armies, like orks and Khorne deploy your wolves out as a flanking force and just gunline it- you have bolters on every pack use them! Shoot alot, then counter assault. Using mostly what you have, thats what I would do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184879-need-help-making-a-competitive-torney-army-s/#findComment-2185912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 ooh, thats what i was looking for :D something like that really, Taking out 3 or 5 drop pods really does allow for more, all three grey hunters squads cost less, than with just 2 free guns, and a drop pod... Thanks :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184879-need-help-making-a-competitive-torney-army-s/#findComment-2185913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 No problem- another couple of notes. Each squad, save your Njals bodygaurd, has one model in it with a significantly better armor save. So, if it wont break their armor take the save on the best one. IE- Missile launcher hits your GH squad, you could take *hopefully* a 4+ cover save from the wolves, OR you could take a 2+ save from the terminator... so take the 2+. No guts, no glory they say. On the other hand, a Plasmarifle hits your GH take the cover save, since it would drop your WG same as a GH with bolter. Splitfire is your friend with those LFs- they literally do double duty against enemy vehicles. If I would do anything differently in this list, it might be to drop a terminator and upgrade two of those MLs to lascannons for about 30pts, maybe add in a LF with a heavy bolter to take a hit and help vs things like enemy devastators. Lastly, in 9/10 games your going to NEED to play this list aggressively- no guts, no glory. That means short range and in your face though, not suicidal- no need to charge those howling banshees for instance if you can double tap them instead. Against enemys armed with alot of powerweapons *bloodthirsters, banshees, etc* and other enemies like MCs who are powerful, but dont have a large volume of attacks, consider tarpitting them with the fenrisian wolves. Also, squeezing in some MM/HF landspeeders into footslogging lists is never a bad idea. I have no idea what Id do to have that in this list though, and would probly rebuild it from scratch if those models were available already. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184879-need-help-making-a-competitive-torney-army-s/#findComment-2185915 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 I do like Land Speeders, i was just put of by the fact they nearly cost the same as a Razorback, rhino/Drop Pod in money terms, so have been a bit warey, although i might end up buying one or two.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184879-need-help-making-a-competitive-torney-army-s/#findComment-2185925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Sorry maybe I'm still living in last edition, but isn't the majority armour save rule still in place? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184879-need-help-making-a-competitive-torney-army-s/#findComment-2186060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Sorry maybe I'm still living in last edition, but isn't the majority armour save rule still in place? Nope, though majority weapon skill still exists. You allocate wounds as you see fit, as long as each model gets a wound before any model gets a second its quite legal. Theres a few exceptions... mind war, vindicaires, telion... etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184879-need-help-making-a-competitive-torney-army-s/#findComment-2186349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 I have just had another thought, and i should be able to do it.... (if points fit...this involves no calculation....) Bjorn 2 Dreads (1 MM, 1 LC) 30 Wolves either 20 or 24 grey hunters (3 squads of 8, or 2 10s) 1/2 Squads of Long Fangs.... then 2 Razorbacks if they fit... It would involves buying a bit, but...... it would be quicker to paint, although i wouldn't know how to make Bjorn :S Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184879-need-help-making-a-competitive-torney-army-s/#findComment-2186448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Well Bjoern has a model, but you can substitute a heavy flamer/assault cannon in a pinch. If your doing razorbacks- Id say 2x Razorbacks with 5-6 in there, and one of 10 in a rhino. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184879-need-help-making-a-competitive-torney-army-s/#findComment-2186820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 Right i have changed my mind completley (Well kind of, i was going to do something like this origionally, but....) Logan 5 Wolf Guard (Combi-plasmas, and diffrent CCWs...) 5 Wolf Guard (4 SS, then all diffrent weapons) 5 Wolf Guard (3 SS, 2WC, 1 TH, 2xWC x2) Dreadnaught (Multi-Melta) Long Fangs x5 (2 Multi-Meltas, 2 LC) i would prefer 4 Multi-Meltas, but maybe land near a tank, shoot it in melta range, then shoot the LCs at a further away target... All in Drop Pods, it will be easier to paint, i will just spray it all the blue/grey i am useing (can't remeber which one..) i won't spray Logan, possibley not some of the Wolf Guard as well, but i reckon i can get all this painted by a week sunday.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184879-need-help-making-a-competitive-torney-army-s/#findComment-2187203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimfoe Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Logan with 6 Long Fangs in a drop pod 5 multi-meltas 1 plasma gun for LF Leader....465 points Njal with 5 wolf guard in drop pod 4 x terminator armor 1 cyclone 4x th/ss PA WG (to go with LF's) - 5 points for combi-melta....610 points 10 Grey Hunters in drop pod 2x Plasma Gun I power fist 25 points...220 points 10 Grey Hunters in drop pod 2x Plasma Gun. 1x power weapon...205 points 1st turn...Logan and Njal drop in. With LF's being relentless and able to throw three meltas in each direction and Njal's Lightning combined with the cyclone you should be able to destroy any tanks you need to. Against hordes, you might want to bring in one or both of the GH's first. Set up line and blast away. Either way, you should be able to take all comers. Good luck. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184879-need-help-making-a-competitive-torney-army-s/#findComment-2187269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 As nice as that list sounds 2 problems: I only have 2 plasma guns atm, and don't like them that much on Grey Huters, so won't do any more.. I can't get hold of any more Multi-Meltas, 2 is hard enough (don't say check the bits sites, they never have anything useful on them....) And is 5 Multi-Meltas really needed? when thinking about it, are you really that likely (unless facing Full mech...) to drop within 12" of 2/3 tanks.... and Turn 2, Logan really wants to go off and assualt something... I think i will use the list i posted above, although yours does sound good, as did Grey Mages....my list will be easier to paint in time, than the footsloogin ones...as grey hunters will be useless being sprayed methinks.... Thanks anyway Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184879-need-help-making-a-competitive-torney-army-s/#findComment-2187303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Right i have changed my mind completley (Well kind of, i was going to do something like this origionally, but....) Logan 5 Wolf Guard (Combi-plasmas, and diffrent CCWs...) 5 Wolf Guard (4 SS, then all diffrent weapons) 5 Wolf Guard (3 SS, 2WC, 1 TH, 2xWC x2) Dreadnaught (Multi-Melta) Long Fangs x5 (2 Multi-Meltas, 2 LC) i would prefer 4 Multi-Meltas, but maybe land near a tank, shoot it in melta range, then shoot the LCs at a further away target... All in Drop Pods, it will be easier to paint, i will just spray it all the blue/grey i am useing (can't remeber which one..) i won't spray Logan, possibley not some of the Wolf Guard as well, but i reckon i can get all this painted by a week sunday.... Are these in TDA? Because if they arent I dont expect you to have any units that last on the table past turn 2, and your other 2 pods will get overwhelmed. Since theres 5 to a squad, Ill assume for the moment they are all in TDA. Remember that you dont have to deploy them in the pods just because you purchased them. Sometimes its a huge disadvantage to DP into the battle, other times just dont DP next to your enemy... be prepared to castle up your DPs, and then either march around cover to them OR make them come to you. Why are you in such a rush to paint? I admire your enthuisiasm, but I really dont understand the emphasis of speed here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184879-need-help-making-a-competitive-torney-army-s/#findComment-2187558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 Yeah don't worry there all in TDA..... The tournament is not this sunday, the one after, and i have Courswork to be doing as well, and i don't spend loads of time painting at once, as i just don't find it very fun really.... (like i have painted, a defiler, a Stormlord, 10 CSM, and a vindicator in 6 months of playing Chaos, before i kinda stopped playing them, then started with the Wolves....) But yeah i have been thinking about tactics, and in DOW especially, i will probably put the 2 non shooting Wolf Guard squads on the board, and then have the other 3 drop pods come down, but depends on who goes first ect..... What i really want is a army with a few infiltrating units, that will think, oh cool, i have the whole board, then the spilt up lots :tu: Or i chose to go second, if i win the roll, and let them spread out more, and focus on one area.... the problem is, i normally know what i'm going to face, so can plan, and even the the tournament i did at my club before, everyone who played, bar 2/3 people who i didn't play anyway, played at the club every week, so i knew what there armies where like, but this time, about 10 out of the 20 have never played here before, some are coming from London, (were in Norwich) for some strange reason, its just a club torney.... But yeah, i'm not expecting to win, i just hope i don't come last :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184879-need-help-making-a-competitive-torney-army-s/#findComment-2187663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Ok, well to help with that- get your WG some Heavy Weapons. Your Dread and LFs could use the help in the anti-tank department. If you need to find points, trim it back to 2 SSs per squad. Id say your best bet would be two assault cannons and a Cyclone Missile Launcher for all around effectiveness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184879-need-help-making-a-competitive-torney-army-s/#findComment-2187844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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