DH/WH Whispers

[Razmus]

Great news for us. Here's hoping to a 2010 release! From Bell of Lost Souls:

 

 

Lots of crazy talk on various forums this weekend. Here is a rundown of what the community hivemind is trying to piece together from the intermittant chatter out there:

 

January: Tyranids

February: Beastmen

March-May: Blood Angels

June-July: Fantasy 8th Edition Rulebook

September: Fantasy 8th Edition Boxed Set

Fall: 40K mystery codex: ~hints regarding it are:

-"Blood Angels are only half of the story"

-"fleet based marines"

-"very nice stuff winging its way in our direction"

 

There is talk of 3 codices in 2010 for 40k

General dispositions of various 40k armies awaiting new codices are described as:

-Necrons: Deep in the development cycle

-Dark Eldar: Deep in the development cycle

-Grey Knights: Work started

-Witchhunters: Work Started

 

On the Fantasy front, Tomb Kings and Orks&Goblins are getting a certain level of chatter out there.

[Uncle Mel]

I truly hope you (they) are right, we've been waiting for a long time.

 

Mel

[hendybadger]

Again. We can but hope this is true

[CDR Grendelwulf]

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"Blood Angels are only half of the story"

-"fleet based marines"

-"very nice stuff winging its way in our direction"

 

Blood Angels once shared a codex with the Dark Angels

+ Deathwing was a supplement to the ol' Blood Angel Space Hulk

Dark Angels are fleet based marines

'winging its way'? Deathwing & Ravenwing

 

...and Dark Angels just got a piece of terrain, The Fortress of Redemption

 

Dark Angels it is then...

 

Ciao,

CDR Grendelwulf

[hendybadger]

Thats only guessing on rumours

[Inquisitor Fox]

I wouldn't call it guessing so much as deductive reasoning given a list of assumptions, or things we are assuming to be true for sake of the argument. It's a reasonable conclusion based on what is out there, if we give the rumors credit.

 

What I am more curious about is to whether they will keep the facets of the Inquisition in seperate Codices, or bring them together in more of a Codex: Inquisition. Stylewise as it currently exists, about half of the army book is a duplicate from the other army book. Yes, the fluff sections are different and there are some variations in the abilities for the Inquisitors.. but with the trend towards simplification, I could see them having all Inquisitors with the same unit entry, keeping all the assassins and ISTs in there, and simply rolling the GK and SoB together, possibly adding in a Deatwatch Kill Team and calling it good.

 

Now I'm not trying to start a flame war in terms of would this be better or worse or what do people want, I'm just noticing a trend based on the chart in Apocalypse and some of the Planetstrike stuff of them considering the Inquisition Forces one army for some of their published material. Is this a hint of what is to come, or are they just being lazy?

[hendybadger]

I wouldnt argue with 1 complete codex. It just adds variety and possibilities to our own forces

[silversmith82]

I wouldn't call it guessing so much as deductive reasoning given a list of assumptions, or things we are assuming to be true for sake of the argument. It's a reasonable conclusion based on what is out there, if we give the rumors credit.

 

What I am more curious about is to whether they will keep the facets of the Inquisition in seperate Codices, or bring them together in more of a Codex: Inquisition. Stylewise as it currently exists, about half of the army book is a duplicate from the other army book. Yes, the fluff sections are different and there are some variations in the abilities for the Inquisitors.. but with the trend towards simplification, I could see them having all Inquisitors with the same unit entry, keeping all the assassins and ISTs in there, and simply rolling the GK and SoB together, possibly adding in a Deatwatch Kill Team and calling it good.

 

Now I'm not trying to start a flame war in terms of would this be better or worse or what do people want, I'm just noticing a trend based on the chart in Apocalypse and some of the Planetstrike stuff of them considering the Inquisition Forces one army for some of their published material. Is this a hint of what is to come, or are they just being lazy?

 

 

Well all of this is still a rumor and I won't believe anything until I see proof. But you do bring up a good point, half of each codex is basically identical. If one builds a complete Inquisition force one can get a VERY competetive force going. You just have to decide whose heavies you want. DH get the best LRC in the game, WH get Exorcists. And if your local gaming store doesn't frown on using allies you are golden. But yeah I think if they rolled them all into one it'd be good to go. Honestly I still think the Witch Hunters codex is completely fine and even the DH codex just needs a better FAQ...

[Inquisitor Fox]

Local store can frown on it all they want.. as long as there's a section of the Codex in print telling me it's okay, they're not stopping me B) Not that it really comes up for me.. I have 3 local GW stores within a half hour drive, but they cannot deny the rules for inducted forces and taking allies from the other Ordo are in clear black and white <_<

[Lungboy]

Harry over on Warseer has hinted very strongly at a Necron release late next year. He has stated unequivocally that while DH and WH have been started, they both need full revamps due to swapping from metal to plastic, and so will take a very long time. I'm fairly sure one of the in-the-know people on Warseer have said that it won't be Dark Angels either, although they do fit the bill better than any other codex. However, if Necrons are out next year, i doubt there will be a fourth codex, meaning the "Blood Angels are only half the story" refers to another, but non-codex, Marine release. It has been suggested that "Winging its way" could well be a hint at a plastic Thunderhawk. If true, and if they release GK doors for it, then i'll be very very happy, and very very broke. All of this is pure conjecture based on a few random posts in a great many threads on Warseer, so it could mostly be nonsense. Sadly, i think it's safe to say that DH/WH are 18 motnhs away at least.

[hendybadger]

You wont be the only one happy with a plastic Thunderhawk. Even if it doesnt have GK doors

[Gibious]

I know itle be a very long time away, but the light at the end of the tunnel can bring us hope. Even if its just a reflection of our own torches.

 

About the combination into a singular Inquisition Codex, I would be personaly all for this. The DH Codex is about as thin as half a normal codex anyway. And also provides a good ground to introduce Ordo Xenos.

 

If this does all happen Im just going to be dissapointed with all the sudden attention we would get from all the "New Army" players who are most likely right now collecting Spacewolfs...

 

-Gib-

[hendybadger]

But they will be putting them away for Tyranids soon. which is a shame because thats my main army

[Inquisitor Gabriel Lupus]

Personally, I'm still findin the existing Inquisition codexes quite serviceable (though I generally just use them to add my Inquisitor to my Guard army), though I am interested by the idea of a "combined" inquisition codex. I know its been mentioned quite a lot in the past, but it really does make quite a bit of sense given GW's recent codex trends, logic (yes logic and GW in the same sentance ;) ), convenience, and also to get all three of the major Ordo's out (poor Xeno hunters...).

 

The only issue I could forsee, would be how they'd make the difference between Ordo forces - i.e surely we don't want to see Grey Knights in power armour backed up by exorcists? Yes there are fluff excuses for this happening, but I wouldn't like it if they made it too easy to just combine all the "best" ingredients from each ordo.

 

Realistically, I can't see WH, DH, or AH getting a codex anytime soon - there's just too many other races needing attention for the Imperium to get even more diversity (there'll be Codex:Ad-Mec soon!).

 

Having said all that, I'm generally wrong/thinking too far into it...

[HsojVvad]

Remember, they said "started", that means in the begining of development. So since they are almost all in metal, it will be anthour 2 years, so I guess, late 2011 if they DW, WH or combined come out. If they were more in progress, I wouldn't say they were started but in development, just like the DE. So I woulnd't expect anything out next year for them.

[Artein]

No combined codex! From last year talking with Jervis Johnson:

I asked about the rumoured combined/not combined Inquisition book. What he stated was that Witch Hunters and Daemonhunters will remain seperate army lists, that they remain part of the planned 4-6 year edition life cycle, and that the focus will shift towards the militant chambers for each rather than the emphasis being on the Inquisitors. He indicated that the emphasis came from the fact that they were working on Inquisitor at around the same time and basically got a bit carried away.

[Eltnot]

From the point of view of a WH player, I really don't want to see a combined codex. Whilst the DH have very little in the way of units, WH have plenty with ample room for growth.

[KhorneHunter57x]

The only issue I could forsee, would be how they'd make the difference between Ordo forces - i.e surely we don't want to see Grey Knights in power armour backed up by exorcists? Yes there are fluff excuses for this happening, but I wouldn't like it if they made it too easy to just combine all the "best" ingredients from each ordo.

 

 

But we can take PAGK squads backed up by Exorcists now (and it is really fun to use :D )

 

I think that they should have 3 codices: C: GK, C: SoB, and C: =][=. The Inquisition one would be able to take regular Imperium choices, as well as Inquisitors, Land Raiders, =][=STs, Valkyries, Arbites squads, Repressors, and other fun stuff.

[Artein]

Not enough units for a full stand-alone Codex: Inquisition. Maybe as a supplement for other Imperium's armies.

[- 7eAL -]

I think that they should have 3 codices: C: GK, C: SoB, and C: =][=. The Inquisition one would be able to take regular Imperium choices, as well as Inquisitors, Land Raiders, =][=STs, Valkyries, Arbites squads, Repressors, and other fun stuff.

Codex Grey Knights might not happen. Considering the huge variety of units available for each Force Organization slot in the Space Marines, Imperial Guard and Space Wolves books, the Grey Knights would need at least three different options for each Force Organization type.

 

The Grey Knights are fairly limited in unit variety, and as such probably would not have enough choices to make a full codex on their own. Barring the reintroduction of very standard wargear that was used in the very earliest representations of the Grey Knights as a near-standard Space Marine Chapter, the design team would need to depart from the clearly defined progression of rank and role within the Grey Knights. In the former case that would mean reintroducing Grey Knight Assault squads, for example. The latter would mean the invention of totally new units from little or no real background fluff, not just the evolution of existing units such as we can see in Sternguard and Vanguard evolving from the previous Veterans, and Ironclads being an offshoot of standard Dreadnoughts.

 

To avoid throwing out a great deal of strict Grey Knight background material, and to avoid creating things out of the blue, it would be best to integrate Grey Knights more fully with the Inquisition Stormtroopers to present better synergy, support and variety of options. The Stormtroopers can afford to be greatly expanded.

 

 

The Sisters of Battle however are not very well fleshed out, despite the fact that they are supposed to be a large and generally coherent fighting, political, medical and religious force. Their special units such as the Dominions, Repentia and Retributors don't really serve any useful purpose that standard squads cannot achieve alone through weight of numbers and mobile transportation. Where do the Sisters of Battle fight? How do they practise forms of strategy and war? Where do they come from, and what is their purpose in battle? Why do they fight - what wars do they wage that other armies do not?

 

Nothing exists to describe how Sisters Hospitaller, Famulous and Dialogus, normally found in civilian roles, are related to the Sisters of Battle and provide any form of support at all. There is no indication of veterancy within the Sisters of Battle either, except the advance to the ranks of Sister Superior, Palatine and Canoness: Celestians are the "most skilled fighters" but this does not explicitly indicate any particular level of actual field experience, while the Seraphim are "experienced" and "exclusively trained in the use of jump packs" but do not seem to progress anywhere thereafter. The Immolator is a sorely lacking form of Rhino variant at best, and no more than a poor Razorback clone at worst. Additionally, their connection to the Ministorum, the Ecclesiarchy, is tenuous at best despite all the background material that ties them together. All they have is a priest, the penitent engine and the arcoflagellant to represent their ties to the church of the Imperial cult.

 

My personal bias always presents the Sisters of Battle as an urban counterrevolutionary force. Where there is religious mutiny and heretical uprising amongst a local population, send the Sisters of Battle.

[kiwitexansfan]

No combined codex! From last year talking with Jervis Johnson:

I asked about the rumoured combined/not combined Inquisition book. What he stated was that Witch Hunters and Daemonhunters will remain seperate army lists, that they remain part of the planned 4-6 year edition life cycle, and that the focus will shift towards the militant chambers for each rather than the emphasis being on the Inquisitors. He indicated that the emphasis came from the fact that they were working on Inquisitor at around the same time and basically got a bit carried away.

 

As a radical Daemonhunter player, I hope they don't move to a full on Grey Knight army..... that would leave me high and dry.

[templargdt]

Honestly, I don't really care if it's a combined codex or not. I love Grey Knights and I enjoy taking along a few Sisters squads. I just want the codex updated and a couple new units.

[Cpt_Reaper]

All these rumours sound very good, and I myself would not care if it was a separate or combined codex. As long as I can field my Daemonhunters with new plastic models and some new units too, and updated rules. But my view on the new Inquisition codex(es) is that I will have to use my 3rd Edition codex for well into 40K 7th Edition. This view, while not very accurate or happy, stops me getting my hopes up. So until some concrete evidence is given, I keep my views narrow and enjoy my stormtrooper veteran in artificier armour with thunder hammer :P

[The Holy Heretic]

No combined codex! From last year talking with Jervis Johnson:

I asked about the rumoured combined/not combined Inquisition book. What he stated was that Witch Hunters and Daemonhunters will remain seperate army lists, that they remain part of the planned 4-6 year edition life cycle, and that the focus will shift towards the militant chambers for each rather than the emphasis being on the Inquisitors. He indicated that the emphasis came from the fact that they were working on Inquisitor at around the same time and basically got a bit carried away.

 

As a radical Daemonhunter player, I hope they don't move to a full on Grey Knight army..... that would leave me high and dry.

 

Yup, being demoted to just another variant of colorcoded 'space boiz' would be a quite a kick to the gonads :o

[Canoness Starkova]

Great news for us. Here's hoping to a 2010 release! From Bell of Lost Souls:

 

 

Lots of crazy talk on various forums this weekend. Here is a rundown of what the community hivemind is trying to piece together from the intermittant chatter out there:

 

January: Tyranids

February: Beastmen

March-May: Blood Angels

June-July: Fantasy 8th Edition Rulebook

September: Fantasy 8th Edition Boxed Set

Fall: 40K mystery codex: ~hints regarding it are:

-"Blood Angels are only half of the story"

-"fleet based marines"

-"very nice stuff winging its way in our direction"

 

There is talk of 3 codices in 2010 for 40k

General dispositions of various 40k armies awaiting new codices are described as:

-Necrons: Deep in the development cycle

-Dark Eldar: Deep in the development cycle

-Grey Knights: Work started

-Witchhunters: Work Started

 

On the Fantasy front, Tomb Kings and Orks&Goblins are getting a certain level of chatter out there.

 

Originally from Warseer most of it.

 

The specifics of "Work Started" came from Harry, who tends to be reliable, prompted in part by me (Purge the Heretic on warseer and dakka).

 

He has indicated that the grey knights at least should be seen before 2012.

 

They had been started by Andy Hoare (sp?) who has since left GW, in another thread Harry stated that Phil Kelly has taken over that Codex upon finishing Space Wolves. He is also Apparently working on Codex Dark Eldar, So I'm unsure of how much has been done on the Grey Knights Dex.

 

**been a member a long time for this to be my first post here have I not?"