wiplash Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 i was just looking at the HQ's with people saying that thunderwolf squads could be uber, just expensive. i saw that the WGBL can take Saga of the Hunter and a Thunderwolf, wolf tooth necklace, meltabombs, i thought thunderwolfs being able to outflank or use the scout move being pretty cool :) but then give him a TH and SS and he is pretty much Arjac WS = same BS = same S = Same T = WGBL +1 W = same I = WGBL +1 A = Same on the charge and same on defense LD = same Save = Arjac has termie armour otherwise same Movement = WGBL has fleet and 12" charge Attacks = WGBL rends and has meltabombs Arjac throws a thunderhammer and is ausome against charcters and big things Hits = WGBL hits on 3+ so imo they are pretty equal and the WGBL is only 12 points more what do you think? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184983-arjac-on-a-thunderwolf/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 For one thing, Saga of the Hunter can only be taken by Infantry. Taking a Thunderwolf Mount makes you Cavalry, so Saga of the Hunter would not work. Arjac is better for several reasons, the first of which is the ability to throw the hammer as a rail-shot at BS5. Against Monstrous Creatures, he gets a re-roll, and with the 5 Attacks he has in the first round of combat, Arjac has the potential to take down the toughest of beasts in a single round of combat. Additionally, the Wolf Guard Battle Leader is an Independent Character, and thus can always be singled out in combat. Arjac is not. Stick Arjac in a pack of Grey Hunters and Drop Pod or Land Raider them up, and he has ablative wounds to soak hits for him until his squad is dead. The Battle Leader on a Thunderwolf can also only join other Thunderwolf units, or Fenrisian Wolf packs, making him much easier to pick out unless you spend points on either of those packs. If you take Logan, Arjac becomes a scoring monstrosity (a minor point, but a neat one), and with T4, a 2+/3+, and Saga of the Bear, Arjac is one tough nut to crack, more-so than your Battle Leader. DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184983-arjac-on-a-thunderwolf/#findComment-2186847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 /whistle :D Well done DV8! :yes: :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184983-arjac-on-a-thunderwolf/#findComment-2188845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimwulfe Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 For one thing, Saga of the Hunter can only be taken by Infantry. Taking a Thunderwolf Mount makes you Cavalry, so Saga of the Hunter would not work I do not agree with this statement. Saga of the Hunter says infantry only but a WGBL is infantry. The thunderwolf is wargear that makes him count as Cavalry but he is not true calvary. Also it specfically states that with saga of the hunter you can not take a Bike or Jumppack but mentions nothing of Thunderwolf calvary. this is a ommision that I believe was on purpose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184983-arjac-on-a-thunderwolf/#findComment-2189016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiplash Posted November 18, 2009 Author Share Posted November 18, 2009 For one thing, Saga of the Hunter can only be taken by Infantry. Taking a Thunderwolf Mount makes you Cavalry, so Saga of the Hunter would not work I do not agree with this statement. Saga of the Hunter says infantry only but a WGBL is infantry. The thunderwolf is wargear that makes him count as Cavalry but he is not true calvary. Also it specfically states that with saga of the hunter you can not take a Bike or Jumppack but mentions nothing of Thunderwolf calvary. this is a ommision that I believe was on purpose. originally i read the saga of the hunter discounted bikes and jump packs which is why i posted it thinking it was a nice loop hole but as DV8 pointed out it does say infantry only so really it didnt need to say that it discounted bikes but hey... i see what your saying but it says in the wargear option that he becomes cavalry so DV8 has trumped us all!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184983-arjac-on-a-thunderwolf/#findComment-2189063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DV8 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 For one thing, Saga of the Hunter can only be taken by Infantry. Taking a Thunderwolf Mount makes you Cavalry, so Saga of the Hunter would not work I do not agree with this statement. Saga of the Hunter says infantry only but a WGBL is infantry. The thunderwolf is wargear that makes him count as Cavalry but he is not true calvary. Also it specfically states that with saga of the hunter you can not take a Bike or Jumppack but mentions nothing of Thunderwolf calvary. this is a ommision that I believe was on purpose. Then you would be wrong. Thunderwolf Mount (p. 62) ...A character with a Thunderwolf Mount has a unit type of Cavalry... DV8 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/184983-arjac-on-a-thunderwolf/#findComment-2189243 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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