Hfran Morkai Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I've been wondering about Puritan Inquisitors and their views on the Grey Knights, considering each one is a psyker. Would this provide for tension between the factions as the Inquisitors realise that the Grey Knights are necessary in fighting the Daemons? Mainly interested for a bit of Fluff I'm playing with, I'm just curious on your opinions. Cheers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 The Imperium has the concept of "sanctioned" psyker activity. Unsanctioned, untrained psykers are indeed considered too dangerous to live, mostly. But Astartes Librarians and Grey Knights definitely fall into the "sanctioned" category, like Astropaths, etc. I mean, the Imperium can't exist without psyker powers. It's considered a necessary evil. Something to pay strict attention to, but something that must also be allowed to exist, provided the psyker vessel can somehow be "proven" to be trustworthy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2187715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 Cool, nice simple answer there. Of course there could always be the extremist ones who have become blinded by their mission, distrusting everyone. Thank you for the quick response! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2187719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 I was under the impression that the Grey Knights were ever the exception to this rule, even for extremists. The Black Templar, for instance, would never fight alongside any psyker...however they allow the GK. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2187727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhorneHunter57x Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 thade is correct. The Templars, who zealously hate even Librarians, will fight with the Grey Knights. This is because, even though psykers turning to Chaos are pretty common, no Grey Knight has fallen victim to the lure of the Ruinous Powers. This is because of the trials, tests, and training that the Knights endure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2187784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 But I take it, it's not impossible for a Puritan to kind of go a bit loopy in the head, perhaps even tainted by Chaos himself but not realising it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2187791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Fox Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 You mean with the same sort of blind driven logic that might lead a particular ultra-puritan to conclude that since witches are bad, sanctioned psykers are bad, and as the ultimate sanctioned psyker the Emperor himself is leading the entire Imperium down the path towards warp-spawned damnation and therefore to save mankind he must kill the Emperor? Yup, totally possible :rolleyes: The intrigue among various ideologies of the Inquisition is fertile ground indeed, which is why one of the most common suspects of Inquisitors are other Inquisitors... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2187799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 17, 2009 Author Share Posted November 17, 2009 You mean with the same sort of blind driven logic that might lead a particular ultra-puritan to conclude that since witches are bad, sanctioned psykers are bad, and as the ultimate sanctioned psyker the Emperor himself is leading the entire Imperium down the path towards warp-spawned damnation and therefore to save mankind he must kill the Emperor? Yup, totally possible :rolleyes: The intrigue among various ideologies of the Inquisition is fertile ground indeed, which is why one of the most common suspects of Inquisitors are other Inquisitors... I don't think mine would go that far... I'm liking the idea of a subtle touch of Chaos, like a cancer, hidden and unseen, which subtly alters his thoughts towards those that show any psychic talent yet not realising he himself has become a conduit. Cheers for the help though people! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2187801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
number6 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 The intrigue among various ideologies of the Inquisition is fertile ground indeed, which is why one of the most common suspects of Inquisitors are other Inquisitors... I'm liking the idea of a subtle touch of Chaos, like a cancer, hidden and unseen, which subtly alters his thoughts towards those that show any psychic talent yet not realising he himself has become a conduit. This dynamic is one of the reasons why it's so much damn fun to play with the Inquisition. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2187813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
- 7eAL - Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 The intrigue among various ideologies of the Inquisition is fertile ground indeed, which is why one of the most common suspects of Inquisitors are other Inquisitors... I'm liking the idea of a subtle touch of Chaos, like a cancer, hidden and unseen, which subtly alters his thoughts towards those that show any psychic talent yet not realising he himself has become a conduit. This dynamic is one of the reasons why it's so much damn fun to play with the Inquisition. :D What is the cancer that is killing the Imperium? The fact that we're having more fun playing with the notion and symptoms than actually dealing with the causes and problems - if we can even find them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2188040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 I've been wondering about Puritan Inquisitors and their views on the Grey Knights, considering each one is a psyker. Bear in mind that an Inquisitor's attitude to psykers is only one of many aspects of the radical/puritan divide. You could have a Thorian (and therefore 'puritan') Inquisitor who embraces psykers as essential for the future of humanity; similarly you could have a Recongregator (and therefore 'radical') Inquisitor who believes that psykers have no place in the Imperium and should all be killed and the institutions that train them should be destroyed. This dynamic is one of the reasons why it's so much damn fun to play with the Inquisition. :) And why Inquisitor is one of the coolest games that GW have ever released. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2188451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devon M Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 The idea that chaos slowly alters his mind is how it always works. No one goes to sleep loyal to the imperium and wakes up a heretic, its a slow process. And while many hate psykers, they will still use them as astropaths, simply because there is no other option. Even Templars do. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2189292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
silversmith82 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 The idea that chaos slowly alters his mind is how it always works. No one goes to sleep loyal to the imperium and wakes up a heretic, its a slow process. And while many hate psykers, they will still use them as astropaths, simply because there is no other option. Even Templars do. Chaos never always works in one way, otherwise it would not be Chaos. Its common for a demon or some other force to take advantage of a momentary weakness to possess and Inquisitor or blast his/her mind to the point where the reversal is pretty rapid. There is a whole faction in the Inquisition dedicated to hunting down rogue/radical Inquisitors whether they fall slowly or rapidly. The ones that fall slowly ARE the more dangerous ones however as the slower change often makes them much harder to notice/detect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2189556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 The idea that chaos slowly alters his mind is how it always works. No one goes to sleep loyal to the imperium and wakes up a heretic, its a slow process. And while many hate psykers, they will still use them as astropaths, simply because there is no other option. Even Templars do. I never said that it does it slowly, but it doesn't really manifest itself. It's just there, hidden but not progressing beyond his loathing. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2189563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 There is a whole faction in the Inquisition dedicated to hunting down rogue/radical Inquisitors whether they fall slowly or rapidly. Why would people be hunting down Inquisitors just for being radical? Rogue or heretical Inquisitoers maybe; but merely following a radical philosophy is not at all the same as being declared a heretic. For example, it's said that the Horusian faction includes some of the most respected daemon hunters in the Ordo Malleus and almost everyone would agree that Horusianism is a very radical philosophy. Of course, it is possible to take a radical philosophy too far and be declared a heretic, but the same is true of the puritan philosophies as well. Also, which faction are you refering to when you talk about one 'dedicated to hunting down rogue/radical Inquisitors '? In the past the Ordo Malleus watched over the activities of other Inquisitors, but more recent sources have said that it's now mainly Hereticus Inquisitors who watch over their peers. And in Dark Heresy there's mention of rumours of a secret Ordo dedicated to overseeing the Inquisition. Were you refering to one of these, or to some other group I've forgotten? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2189624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
silversmith82 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 I mean Hereticus Inquisitors mostly but any Ordo can go after the other. And by "radicals" I mean in general terms like the ones who use Daemonhosts or chaos artifacts etc... Like Quixos. There are radical philosophies and then real radicals and I'm talking about the latter. I just forget the name specifically of the philosophy that always seems suspicious of their peers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2189748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Gabriel Lupus Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 And why Inquisitor is one of the coolest games that GW have ever released. so true... so very true... If only I had some people to play Inquisitor with :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2190068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 And by "radicals" I mean in general terms like the ones who use Daemonhosts or chaos artifacts etc... Like Quixos. There are radical philosophies and then real radicals and I'm talking about the latter. I generally refer to such Inquisitors as heretical rather than merely radical (as that's what they'd be in the eyes on many of their peers); otherwise it just adds to the confusion some people have thinking that being a 'radical' is the same as being a heretic. There are many breeds of radicalism and some are further from being heretical than some 'puritan' philosophies. If only I had some people to play Inquisitor with :eek Your profile says you're in Nottingham - I know of at least one player in that area, possibly more, so can probably find you a game. Also, I'll be defending my crown at the Inquisitor Grand Tournament at WHW next month - you should come along to that; it's a really fun day and there'll be chance to meet other players. There may also be some celebrity guests - last year Gav Thorpe and Jervis Johnson came along, and John Blanche turned up to help judge the painting & modelling round. In addition, members of The Conclave organise one-day campaigns at WHW a few times a year which you'd be welcome to attend. If you want to know more, check out The Conclave. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2190782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Gabriel Lupus Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 In that case Kaled, I truly regret losing/selling my Inquisitor models... I'll just have to treat that as impetous to make new ones! It has been a while since I last played Inquisitor though, so I'm probably really rusty on the rules, but I'd deffinately be up for getting back into it... Last time I played, we were using 40k scale models (we had limited space, but it worked quite well). I like the sound of getting to some tournies at WHW though... better get myself off to the GW website and select models to convert my Inquisitor... Any suggestions of places I could get parts for Inquisitor from, being as GW mail order no longer does parts? Also, I really like the look of your Inquisitor with the "suit" (ie your profile pic guy) as that/similar would work perfectly for my Inquisitor... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2191164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 And by "radicals" I mean in general terms like the ones who use Daemonhosts or chaos artifacts etc... Like Quixos. There are radical philosophies and then real radicals and I'm talking about the latter. I generally refer to such Inquisitors as heretical rather than merely radical (as that's what they'd be in the eyes on many of their peers); otherwise it just adds to the confusion some people have thinking that being a 'radical' is the same as being a heretic. Yeah, 'Radical' is just the Puritan's nice way of saying "not-yet-proven heretic". Radicals either walk a very fine line or haven't been found out by their peers yet. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2193988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaled100 Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Yeah, 'Radical' is just the Puritan's nice way of saying "not-yet-proven heretic". Radicals either walk a very fine line or haven't been found out by their peers yet. But given that no two Inquisitors (or players) can agree on exactly where the line between 'radical' and 'puritan' falls, the distinction is almost meaningless unless people define very clearly how they are using the terms. The are plenty of Inquisitors that would see other 'puritans' as being 'radicals' or 'not-yet-proven heretics' just because they follow a different 'puritan' philosophy. IMHO 'radical' and 'puritan' are useful terms in creating an army for 40k as they restrict what units you can and canot take, but for any proper discussion of Inquisitorial philosophies they're of little use as they're too vague and leave too much room for confusion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2194706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Tyrak Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 But given that no two Inquisitors (or players) can agree on exactly where the line between 'radical' and 'puritan' falls, the distinction is almost meaningless unless people define very clearly how they are using the terms. The are plenty of Inquisitors that would see other 'puritans' as being 'radicals' or 'not-yet-proven heretics' just because they follow a different 'puritan' philosophy. Indeed. This is philosophical fudging at it's finest. No-one (the Inquisitors, that is) can even agree on the rules of the argument. :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185046-puritans-and-grey-knights/#findComment-2194813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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