The Immortal Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 I currently collect a loyalist force of my own creation, The Immortals. However, after realising the true treachery of the Emperor, i am thinking of collecting Iron Warriors. I have bought and read the Ultramarines Omnibus, purely for Dead Sky, Black Sun to gain a glimmer of the Legion and have also read all that i can find on here about them. However, i would like to gather some fluff on this Legion, and mostly their Primarch Perturabo ( is that the right spelling? i think it is) as i would like to understand them further before converting anything. Any nuggets of information are much appreciated and suggestions for conversions, etc. Thanks (If this is in the wrong forum, sorry, but never posted anything like this before. If there is a better forum for it please tell me so i can move it. Thanks) ~T-I~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Nihm Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 A good place to start is here: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/index.p...howtopic=131113 :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Also you need to read the unofficial bible of the Iron Warriors, Storm of Iron. It sets up the events from Dead Sky, Dark Sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar Lodbrok Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Also you need to read the unofficial bible of the Iron Warriors, Storm of Iron. It sets up the events from Dead Sky, Dark Sun As minigun762 said Storm of Iron is a must read in fact it has been gnawing on me to start a Iron Warriors warband myself ever since I have read it and I'm still debating on whether to do it or not. Storm of Iron is by far one of the best books in the Black Library bar none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiemnex Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Warsmith....... Nuff said... Storm of Iron is a MUST read for any TRUE iron warrior player. If you are looking for fluff it details tactic for tactic our battle plans and how devious and cunning the iron warriors really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilbeetles Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 Also some good news for fluff on the IW is that Grahm McNeil is working on a new novel called Iron Warrior. It apparently takes place after Dead Sky, Black Sun. I found this info through a link on Warseer that lead to his Blog Spot. Can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 You can find some info on Perturabo by here http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Perturabo IP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronWinds Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Things to read. Storm of Iron- yes our bible. Also has characters in it that fit the IW profile much more than Honsue IMO. Forrix is the definition of an IW if I ever saw one. In SoI Honsue is kind of the runt of the commanders. He doesn't get cocky and arrogant until DSBS. Dead Sky Black Sun- you've read it. And my personal favorite. The first Index Astartes. Has a large section on the IWs in it. Including the story in which we woop the Imperial Fists and Dorn. Any nuggets of information are much appreciated and suggestions for conversions, etc. Go on GWs website. Search for chaos HQs. One of them is called the Warsmith. First off IW Lords are called Warsmiths. Second you want this model. You might not use him as your commander(I don't), but as an IW player you will LOVE the model. One thing I've done in my army to give it an IW feel besides rusted silver and hazard stripes is that all of my champions have servo arms. A couple of my champions actually are that model. No there are no rules for servo armys. In 3.5 I counted them as mutation, now I count it as my icons of glory. No its not an icon, but it is extremely fluffy for IWs, and really gives the army an IW look. Plus I hate the idea of IWs toting around icons... we are suppose to be one of the most secular legions(right next to Alpha legion). Oh demons except for demon princes are a big no no fluff wise. Try to avoid cult units and icons that are not glory. But if your do.... Slaanesh= combat sensors to detect enemy sooner. Khorne= convert your marines to have lots of saws and drills for hands. And bezerkers aren't really unfluffy for IWs, had them back in 3rd and in Storm of Iron. Nurgle= marines w/ cyborg bodies that are more robotic than marine. Tzeench= shield generators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randian Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Plus I hate the idea of IWs toting around icons... we are suppose to be one of the most secular legions(right next to Alpha legion). Oh demons except for demon princes are a big no no fluff wise. Secular? Don't the IWs basically worship Perturabo? The IWs also seem to be quite whole hog into using Chaotic technology, daemonic possession, sorcery, and other Chaos-based stuff, just like the other Chaos legions do. They are pawns of the Chaos Gods no matter how independent they claim to be, because they willingly use Chaos and willingly follow Perturabo's orders. I'm sure that from time to time Perturabo gets orders from his patrons, under implicit threat of utter destruction if he refuses. Despite his vast power Perturabo is more of a slave to Chaos than his Legion is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Plus I hate the idea of IWs toting around icons... we are suppose to be one of the most secular legions(right next to Alpha legion). Oh demons except for demon princes are a big no no fluff wise. Secular? Don't the IWs basically worship Perturabo? The IWs also seem to be quite whole hog into using Chaotic technology, daemonic possession, sorcery, and other Chaos-based stuff, just like the other Chaos legions do. They are pawns of the Chaos Gods no matter how independent they claim to be, because they willingly use Chaos and willingly follow Perturabo's orders. I'm sure that from time to time Perturabo gets orders from his patrons, under implicit threat of utter destruction if he refuses. Despite his vast power Perturabo is more of a slave to Chaos than his Legion is. I could see where you're coming from, but most of the background that I've seen shows the relationship between the IW and Chaos is more about using one another when it is convienent/useful. There is respect for the power that is Chaos, but thats not the same thing as worship. An IW would attempt to dominate it when they are strong and bargain with it when they are weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiemnex Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Not to be a fanboi or anything...... ****SPOILER TO STORM OF IRON DONT READ IF YOU DONT WANT IT**** If you read the book When forrix suspects the Warsmiths assension into a daemon prince he strives to be closer to him in order to obtain some of the gift. The gift is granted through Abaddon. Not through some direct warship of a chaos god... Second again in the book it talks about how they utilize a sorcerer and failed to mention his alignment to what god but once his usefulness had no longer existed he was turned into a chaos spawn by the warsmith. If you read more fluff around Iron Warriors they do not believe the Chaos gods to be gods at all.. Mere powerful beings or mutants of warp. Hence the reason they do not warship them. They are over analytical and this often leads them into a sense of paranoia. The Iron Warriors have their own sense of "honor" or "distinguishment" Believing themselves to be above others for their keen intellect and strong battle tactics. Even the berzerkers who are aligned with khorne who are iron warriors fear the warsmith more than khorne. So without saying anymore.. Read the books.. The fluff.. Its really good read and will lead you more into a place where you can better understand Iron Warriors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randian Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 If you read the book When forrix suspects the Warsmiths assension into a daemon prince he strives to be closer to him in order to obtain some of the gift. The gift is granted through Abaddon. Not through some direct warship of a chaos god. That's not quite right. Abaddon brokered the gift of ascension, he didn't grant it. The vast amounts of psychic power required to convert a mortal, mind and body, into pure warp energy is beyond even one such as Abaddon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Immortal Posted November 19, 2009 Author Share Posted November 19, 2009 Thanks! i'll make sure to buy me some Storm of Iron as suggested by many of you. @Insane Physcopath: Thanks for that link, read all of it and any other stuff on there about Iron WArriors. @Requiemnex: Thanks but i must admit i didn't read it as i want to read the book first! @Iron Winds: Thanks for all the info, especially on the make-up of an Iron Warriors force,a dn especially in helping me track down that model. Knowing that Iron Warriors love servo-arms and bionics, do any of you know where i can buy sets of them or anything? or any links to tutorials? easy ones please! Thanks for all the help. ~T-I~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronWinds Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Secular? Don't the IWs basically worship Perturabo? The IWs also seem to be quite whole hog into using Chaotic technology, daemonic possession, sorcery, and other Chaos-based stuff, just like the other Chaos legions do. They are pawns of the Chaos Gods no matter how independent they claim to be, because they willingly use Chaos and willingly follow Perturabo's orders. I'm sure that from time to time Perturabo gets orders from his patrons, under implicit threat of utter destruction if he refuses. Despite his vast power Perturabo is more of a slave to Chaos than his Legion is. They worship him as their leader, not as a god. Imperials worship the Emperor as a god, huge difference. And who says Perturabo has patrons? He wasn't made a demon prince for swearing loyalty, or killing the followers of a certain gods enemies, he was made a demon prince for killing the followers of the Emperor and handing over a crap load of geneseed as an offering. They didn't make him a DP as a thank you for worship, they made him a DP so he could reak even more havok among the stars. It was a situation of "I know your going to go slaughter my enemies.... here I'll make you a demon prince so you can slaughter even more!" The IWs serve themselves. They see using chaos more like brokers or middle men than worship. To the IWs the chaos gods are just giant warp entities. Not so much to be worshipped as used. When they possess a tank it isn't worship, its a deal between them and the gods. They are 'using' the demon to make their tank more powerful, and in return that tank is going to kill things and please the gods. They don't worship, it is more of an alliance, I scratch your back, you scratch mine. I'm going to kill people, I'm going to spread chaos by slaughtering, killing, maiming, destroying your enemies.... so why not help me out along the way and possess some of my tanks and bionics? And when I attack a planet why don't you hide my approach so I can kill even more of your enemies and reak even more havok? But they pass on having demons running around the field because they can't trust the demons. Knowing that Iron Warriors love servo-arms and bionics, do any of you know where i can buy sets of them or anything? or any links to tutorials? easy ones please! Personally I have a couple warsmith models that I've mixed the parts of around. 2 of my champions have servo arms off that model. Another has a servo arm off an imperial tech priest. The third I built, but it is not very good. Bionics: try to find iron hand bits. I don't know if GW still makes them, but they had bionic legs you could put on minis. IW warsmith has bionic leg but keep in ming his legs and torso are 1 big metal peice. Also has a bionic claw that I mix into my marines as a close combat weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Tezdal Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Fallen Angels has a little Perturabo in the end of the book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Shadow Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Knowing that Iron Warriors love servo-arms and bionics, do any of you know where i can buy sets of them or anything? or any links to tutorials? easy ones please! Link for modelling Bionics. Hope that helps :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Herald of Desolation Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 As previously stated, Storm of Iron is a must read. If you don't read it, you're gonna miss out on a lot of rich background, not to mention an amazing story. And if you don't read it, we'll break your legs. ^.^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Requiemnex Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 I will bring the rockcrete slippers... =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Immortal Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 am gonna order storm of iron straight away, as although the superb tutorial given by Silent Shadow is amazing, i'm not sure i'm ready to build my own bionics yet.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuNCHBiZZLe Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 I would try a site like bartertown to trade/buy some of the IH bits,IW warsmith,and some of the Tech marines/servo arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Immortal Posted November 22, 2009 Author Share Posted November 22, 2009 is that a Uk site or american? as i live in england... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron-Daemon Forge Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 i'm not sure i'm ready to build my own bionics yet.... All you need is Plastic Rods. It really easy to do. IW warsmith,and some of the Tech marines/servo arms. Or there is here :yes: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...dId=prod1130404 Or these Techmarines http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...dId=prod1140234 http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...dId=prod1060062 http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...dId=prod1060065 Don't forget these nice Iron Warriors shoulder pads/bits http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...dId=prod1110174 http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...dId=prod1110164 & of course those Iron Hands. Though you buying it for the bionic parts, these Marines do give you extra part to convert or to use as trophies in the army as well http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/...otCatGameStyle= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightygoose Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 the thing to learn qucikly is that there are probably more fluff arguements among IW players than any other legion as we like our legion are the most exacting... in other news its good to be back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Immortal Posted December 11, 2009 Author Share Posted December 11, 2009 well, i've finally got around to making the first Iron Warrior for my Warband... what do you think? http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3512/091211125125.jpg http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4074/091211125137.jpg http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7227/091211125147.jpg http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/7227/091211125147.jpg http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/458/091211125203.jpg http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/4044/091211125219.jpg http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/40/091211125228.jpg I scratch-built his hammer using the hammer from the space wolves frame and sprue... i'm not too sure about it. I used space wolf legs and cut off the wolf head on the knee but kept the studs as they seemed nice. I used a standard body and filed off the aquila. i will paint on some iron warriors stuff. I built the bionic arm with a banner pole and some fuse wire with a space wolf hand and plasma pistol, with the wolf cut off as it looked ornate. the head is standard chaos head and backpack is standard marine backpack as had no chaos hanging around. The banner pole came about by my sister's hate of warhammer. she took a marine head, drilled throuhg it and attached it to some fuse wire, before waving it in my face... i was like YES PLEASE! and so added some more heads and attached it to the model! C&C welcome but please remember this is my first truly converted mini! thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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