Bergtorp Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 Greetings fellow gamers. I have been planning for some time now a really big project. An duel between an FW Avatar and the FW Keeper of Secret. Quite massive. I've figured out the core setup for these models but there is one big problem which I now encountered. The base. The base will probebly quite big and I don't really know how I should make it. Should there be a corpse ridled battlefield, an ancient temple or some thing else. Some of my first thoughts were about daemonic ground under the daemon and scorced marked earth under the Avatar. Can all the modelling and painting masters out there help me out a little, and I'll do my best to create a grand masterpiece which I can display here and maybe somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justicar Valius Posted November 21, 2009 Share Posted November 21, 2009 You, my good friend, are quite,quite mad. The thing is an eldar avatar is an exarch young king and so would not be sacrificed unless they were about to march to great war. This means that there must be many enemies and many Eldar on the base as otherwise it would not be realistic. Another thing is trying to make the poses realistic. I think your best bet would be to go for the moment just as the duel is about to start due to poses. Another thing is to consider who is winning the rest of the fight, daemons (in which case there would have to be some space around the avatar as they would already be dead) or eldar (in which case it would be the same but eldar shying form the greater daemon of the god they helped to create). I would hate a lack of footsoldiers or a it could go either way scenario with no footsoldiers ripping into the enemy. I would also like a guardian shooting at the greater daemon if possible. If you actually finish this take it to golden daemon and also post it on here in WIP forum because it would be awseome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergtorp Posted November 21, 2009 Author Share Posted November 21, 2009 My plan is to use the spear armed Avatar and his right hand is holding a choke grip on the daemon. Her arms I'm not so sure about yet, but will know better when I get the model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1TH0R3 Posted November 22, 2009 Share Posted November 22, 2009 You could use the temple of skulls and have like a river of blood going around it and then use a photo frame to , well, frame it Also your pose sounds awesome, in battle scenes are so mush cooler than two guys pointing at each other ^_^ . yea have a few foot soldiers fighting each other as well. Maybe Good luck, have fun and don't screw it up ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Brother Sargent Tiberius- Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 It would be cool to have them about to fight and make the deamon swinging his weapon and have a few airborne eldar. :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donkey Kong Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 I'd like to agree with the first poster, you are definitely on the far side of insane :lol: . I'd also like to agree that the scene wouldn't look right without other forces fighting beneath them, deamonettes, guardians, aspect warriors, and maybe farseers, warlocks and Slaaneshi Marines. http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.ph...2&start=150 The diorama in that forum sort of resembles what I imagined you meant with your pose. Albeit, with less tongue flailing, and your proposed "Avatar grabbing the KoS's neck". If you are good with modeling putty, I think doing something like having the lower two arms grasping at the arm holding its neck and the upper pair hefting a sword would look suitably nice. Best of luck with this, and I hope to see it when it's completed :D ! KHK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergtorp Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 Hello everybody. To prove that I wasn't joking when I started this thread here are some pictures. Now with the models in hand I've met with some problems. The Avatar has to short arms, as you can see in these pictures, or his weapon is too long, but you can't have a to long weapon :lol:. My consept with the Avatar holding the KoS throat is a little thrown out of the window. Now I'm thinking about either him holding the KoSs head tentacles or modelling a whip in KoS left hand which he can hold. The Avatar is supposed to in the next second throw the spear in KoSs face. How those this sound? http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i202/Bergtorp/Dioramas/diorama3.gif http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i202/Bergtorp/Dioramas/diorama1.gif http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i202/Bergtorp/Dioramas/diorama2.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nephilim Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 As cool as this is, there is no way the avatar could defeat Zarakyneal. She does cost a mighty 666pts and is WS 10. Just saying. Six wounds... Gargantuan creature... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergtorp Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 A duel is not about an even fight. But would that mean the Avatar would back down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nephilim Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 I don't see the Avatar backing down, but she ignores invulerable saves and normal saves. The poor Avatar of Khaine would be toast before he knew what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bergtorp Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 I don't remember all the rules and stats for Zarakyneal, but here the model is counted as a KoS. And we all know that rules and fluff doesn't allways match up. The Warp could be weak, making her weaker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint of Steel Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 I think that in terms of narrative it's an excellent idea mate, Slaanesh vs. the Eldar is so, so fluffy! :) In terms of actually making the duel look like a dynamic action shot as opposed to a stand-off, I think you'll have a bit of a harder time without compromising the excellent sculpts. As for the base I don't think it particularly matters about having swarms of their respective underlings being shown; I find the idea of the two powerful enemies singling each other out far more...well...awesome! :) I look forward to seeing how this progresses, I love dioramas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Mordeus Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Wicked, how much conversion work are you going to do, one of the most important things in a duel diorama, is the interaction between the two models. If they are just standing in front of each other, than you have to create the atmosphere using the scenery around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkizO Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 Big fan of the whip idea. I think it fit the models really well without going all out conversion-bashing. Kepp updating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. Lysander Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Great idea! The avatar is a bit short compared to her. Maybe a lava pit battle-scene? I agree about the dead Eldar littering the battle-field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0MMY Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 I agree with the above ^^ that the deamon looks too tall to be in a choke hold, unless you're going to put her on her knees or some other modded pose? Other option is to put the Avatar on some raised scenery to level up their heads - maybe a runined temple to stay in keeping with the summoning of daemons / avatars, etc.. Sounds like a great piece though - love the spear. Keep up the good work! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loken86 Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 this is gonna be so coool i like the idea of having dead eldar lying aroound as this would p*** the avatar off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistinthunder Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 A duel is not about an even fight. But would that mean the Avatar would back down? actually it is. WD354's golden daemon catagory articles: "... dynamic pairing of 2 well matched opponents." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 Yes but only in term of the fight not the models. There was a duel that pitted a guardsmen against a carnifex that won a demon if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted January 7, 2010 Share Posted January 7, 2010 how about giving the avatar some sort of see through force field and have the deamon bashing her swords etc on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luther - the fallen Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Yes but only in term of the fight not the models. There was a duel that pitted a guardsmen against a carnifex that won a demon if I remember correctly. If you're referring to the one where the guardsman is holding a demo charge, and is charging a carnifex, it was entered in the open competetion due to several other minis on the display (a lot of gaunts actually) as for the current duel, I must say I love the idea. If you're going for the whip thing, have it tied around the avatars hand, so that it looks like he's been pulling the daemon in, that would IMO be a nice touch. Good luck with it all, and I'll be watching this. Luther.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Sensei Posted January 8, 2010 Share Posted January 8, 2010 Ouchy, that's serious project here ! Hmmm its a very good idea but as I see things, you'll need a looooong base to respect the dynamism of both "forward going" minis. Putting them too close would ruin the effect. A lone guardian wounded on the floor between them could add some drama, or two armies charging... Dunno if this is possible according to the "duel" rules. DS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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