Bearboy Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Space Wolves are famous for there individualism and not accepting the Codex Astartes and all that jazz. But what if their is a Wolf Lord out there who is so radical he tells Logan to shove it and borrows a copy of the codex from the Ultramarines? Think about. No one tells a Wolf Lord what to do so if a Wolf Lord wants to use the codex he is going to no matter what someone says.(But who would want to though? B) ) Discuss! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Umm.... You dont borrow chapter relics without the top dogs permission. If he wants to follow codex guidelines... best of luck, I give him about two years as wolf lord before hes dead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2194384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdal Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Individuals yes, but they also has a very strong sense of loyalty towards the pack and to the alpha male (Grimnar in this case). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2194396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verseau Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Why would you want restricted by a law / rule (in this case codex), if you already has all the freedom you want ??? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2194399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 If you wish to admit here that you are a Smurf, that is your business. They also have their own section if you seek affirmation and acceptance. I don't see it happening. The difference in being a Space Wolf, a Son of Russ is distinctive. Why would one indoctrinated as such find the thought appaling. It would almost as bad as admitting to having the taint of Chaos in the Great Hall of the Fang.........an idiotic proposition, IMO. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2194405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearboy Posted November 24, 2009 Author Share Posted November 24, 2009 If you wish to admit here that you are a Smurf, that is your business. They also have their own section if you seek affirmation and acceptance. Nah just something I thought of today. But what do you think Logan's response would be if a Great Company decided to go codex? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2194426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Umm.... I believe in a word- No. Breaking 10,000 years of tradition, the heritage of their primarch, and breaking packs up would not sit well with any other SW. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2194467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneSniperSG Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Just as this strange wolf lord got ahold of the Codex Astartes, Lukas the Trickster would laugh and run away with the REAL book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2194525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blckbuster Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 <in the mead hall> "hey sven whatchya readin there?" "nothing nothing" I'm interested in this idea just to hear how a space wolf, who is indoctrinated with chapter ways and beliefs not only via the myths of his people, but the teaching machines of the chapter, would convert to the index astartes, just the logistics of how he would get the info beg the imagination Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2194531 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Actually I know for a fact that we have a couple origional copies, given to us by guilleman himself. They stay on their pedistals on a secure lockup in the basement, with the other strange artifacts no one is allowed to touch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2194536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Night Runner Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Space Wolves are famous for there individualism and not accepting the Codex Astartes and all that jazz. But what if their is a Wolf Lord out there who is so radical he tells Logan to shove it and borrows a copy of the codex from the Ultramarines? Think about. No one tells a Wolf Lord what to do so if a Wolf Lord wants to use the codex he is going to no matter what someone says.(But who would want to though? ;) ) Discuss! Where's the fun in being a smurf; no beer, no beards, no bombastic story telling or tavern fights no fen wolves, no glory seeking heoes? Just yes sir this and yes sir that. (Although I do respect them and love reading SM novels of all chapters particularly first founding). This 'radical' Wolf Lord you've concocted must have one mighty oak pole shoved so far up it squished his brains. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2194666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max_Dammit Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Space Wolves are famous for there individualism and not accepting the Codex Astartes and all that jazz. But what if their is a Wolf Lord out there who is so radical he tells Logan to shove it and borrows a copy of the codex from the Ultramarines? Think about. No one tells a Wolf Lord what to do so if a Wolf Lord wants to use the codex he is going to no matter what someone says.(But who would want to though? ^_^ ) Discuss! Where's the fun in being a smurf; no beer, no beards, no bombastic story telling or tavern fights no fen wolves, no glory seeking heoes? Just yes sir this and yes sir that. (Although I do respect them and love reading SM novels of all chapters particularly first founding). This 'radical' Wolf Lord you've concocted must have one mighty oak pole shoved so far up it squished his brains. And by that not likely to be selected by his fellow WG to be the next WL Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2194702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaotic Death Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Actually I know for a fact that we have a couple origional copies, given to us by guilleman himself. They stay on their pedistals on a secure lockup in the basement, with the other strange artifacts no one is allowed to touch. I thought they were used to paper train Blood Claws. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2194865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schertenleib Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Actually I think that would be a good depiction of one of the 13th Companies. Wolf Lord turns his back on the Chapter because he believes we are not following the path set for us by the Emperor. He takes his Company and joins the rest of the Codex Marines. That would work....BUT you would have to play it as SW counts as Codex Marines. No Rune Priests, Wolf Priests, Wolfguard etc... Follow the CODEX young man. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2194871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneSniperSG Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Actually I think that would be a good depiction of one of the 13th Companies. Wolf Lord turns his back on the Chapter because he believes we are not following the path set for us by the Emperor. He takes his Company and joins the rest of the Codex Marines. That would work....BUT you would have to play it as SW counts as Codex Marines. No Rune Priests, Wolf Priests, Wolfguard etc... Follow the CODEX young man The only codex worth following is the one stamped with SPACE WOLVES Seriously, after submerging myself into the awesome character and individuality of the Space Wolves, I would probably get so bored with a Codex Astartes army that I would throw it all out the window of the Empire State Building. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2194990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimmwulf Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Just imagine someone to try to tell a pack of grey hunters to seperate and leave their brothers' side due to some kind of combat tactics. Not a good idea. Or even better, try to tell a screaming, blood hungry, battle frenzied blood claw to operate stealthy in a scout unit. If you give him a sniper rifle or a missile launcher he will probably use it to bash someones head with instead instead of shooting at something. Oh, and you certainly don't want to be in the drinking hall when someone pronounces that all beards have to be shaved off. The Wolves only look up to heroic deeds and bravery on the battlefield and in the drinking hall, not to some kind of codex. If you assume that some wolf lord might decide to obey the codex astartes you just ignore the space wolf fluff. It is just as an ultramarine company that decides to NOT operate inside the codex guidelines. Not going to happen. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2195031 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Actually I know for a fact that we have a couple origional copies, given to us by guilleman himself. They stay on their pedistals on a secure lockup in the basement, with the other strange artifacts no one is allowed to touch. I thought they were used to paper train Blood Claws. No, thats crappy new ones given to us by bulk mail. Defacing the gift of a primarch would be rude. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2195094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Jester Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Just imagine someone to try to tell a pack of grey hunters to seperate and leave their brothers' side due to some kind of combat tactics. Not a good idea. Or even better, try to tell a screaming, blood hungry, battle frenzied blood claw to operate stealthy in a scout unit. If you give him a sniper rifle or a missile launcher he will probably use it to bash someones head with instead instead of shooting at something. Oh, and you certainly don't want to be in the drinking hall when someone pronounces that all beards have to be shaved off. The Wolves only look up to heroic deeds and bravery on the battlefield and in the drinking hall, not to some kind of codex. If you assume that some wolf lord might decide to obey the codex astartes you just ignore the space wolf fluff. It is just as an ultramarine company that decides to NOT operate inside the codex guidelines. Not going to happen. You now also have the sadistic murderous Scouts forced into large groups in power armor. thier gonna leave a trail of bodies right up to the Lords front door. and those who are wearing jump packs are having them being stripped of them?? i don't wanna be in that room there. also there won't be any stories about how Hager brokenface got that way by flying face first into an ork warlord's battled wagon and blew it all up, come on that would have been amazing to see. no more stories:( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2195104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Actually I know for a fact that we have a couple origional copies, given to us by guilleman himself. They stay on their pedistals on a secure lockup in the basement, with the other strange artifacts no one is allowed to touch. Secure in the basement hey - so what was it I saw you using as a place mat in the feasting hall last week? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2195332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Actually I know for a fact that we have a couple origional copies, given to us by guilleman himself. They stay on their pedistals on a secure lockup in the basement, with the other strange artifacts no one is allowed to touch. Secure in the basement hey - so what was it I saw you using as a place mat in the feasting hall last week? Umm.... that was a gift, from a friend.... shes new. :wallbash: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2195535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalver Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 I could certainly see a Wolf Lord making the tactical decision to assign the Long Fangs in his company individually to Grey Hunter packs in a situation where having individual heavy weapons in different locations was deemed advantageous. I can even see the Long Fangs going along with it if a leader they knew and respected suggested it and the Grey Hunter packs, far from objecting would be honored to have one of the Long Fangs accompany their pack. So you could rationalise tactical and devastator squads (or Space Wolf themed equivalents) that way, and even rationalise having Grey Hunters in jump packs if you wanted. The problem would come when you get to Blood Claws. How these units behave is a factor of the recruitment and training of the Space Wolves as well as unique attributes they glean from the Canis Helix. No matter what a Wolf Lord might like to do I don't think he could overcome the strong individuality and feroicty that all young Space Wolves gain from their gene seed. You could argue that the Space Wolf chapter structure is as much forced upon them by their unique geneseed as it is a deliberate choice. No matter how much he might wish to a Wolf Lord could not train new recruits to act as codex scouts, they just don't have the right genetic makeup for the job. The Space Wolf great company structure is as it is because that is the best way for it to be given the warriors they have available to them. If you accept that there is no way to fit Blood Claws into this company then you are left with a great company with no viable recruitment structure (poach full fledged Grey Hunters from some other Wolf Lords company?, good luck with that :wallbash: ). If you have no ongoing recruitment structure you have no Great Company. There is no way an Ultramarine company could be structured like the Space Wolves, even if they adopted the same structure and advancement mechanism the fact remains that their recruits - both due to the environment they are recruited from and the qualities of their geneseed - just lack the raw ferocity needed to make blood claw packs. Trying to turn the Ultramarines recruits into a highly individualistic and ferocious foe would be just as doomed to failure as trying to turn a bunch of Space Wolves recruits into a highly regimented and disciplined force. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185570-here-is-an-idea/#findComment-2195544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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