antique_nova Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 So do they? I don't see any rule that says when a Wolf Guard joins a devestator they become a heavy support choice.But because i got logan, they are troops and i don't see any rules that conflicts this. Also, this would mean that if a HQ choice joined a Grey Hunter squad before the game then they become a troops choice, which makes them scoring, which doesn't sound right at all. thanks antique_nova Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Hengist Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 This has popped up on this forum already somehwere but at the minute I cant find the thread. I think its a really crappy interpretation of the Logan Wolf Guard rule. I'd say the Wolf Guard becomes part of the unit it joins not the other way round, I'm at work at the minute so cant check on the wording of the rules. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2195632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 So do they? I don't see any rule that says when a Wolf Guard joins a devestator they become a heavy support choice.But because i got logan, they are troops and i don't see any rules that conflicts this. Also, this would mean that if a HQ choice joined a Grey Hunter squad before the game then they become a troops choice, which makes them scoring, which doesn't sound right at all. thanks antique_nova Nope. Your all sorts of off here. Logain says wolf gaurd UNITS become scoring. Once attached to another unit its just a wolf gaurd MODEL, not a UNIT. Thats the difference. Secondly- HQ units dont stop being Independant characters when attached to another unit- Wolf Gaurd are NEVER independant characters. Thus, an HQ is never the slot its joined to, as its still a seperate unit. IF we had a retinue you might have a case. Edit: Note, as an upgrade character who is part ofa Unit you become what the unit is by virtue of being a model in the unit. Thus a WG in a HS, FA, Troop, or Elite choice becomes the choice that he joined by virtue of being a member of that squad. Because squads are particular slots, models are not. Models instead are part of units... wich in turn are part of slots. A Model can be part of a Unit that is just 1 strong, like an average HQ, or a Lone Wolf, but its still two distinct areas. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2195633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
antique_nova Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 So what your saying is, that when i have logan. i pick some wg and put them into long fangs. they become heavy support, but they stay scoring? thanks antique_nova Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2195657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 So what your saying is, that when i have logan. i pick some wg and put them into long fangs. they become heavy support, but they stay scoring?thanks antique_nova No, they are NOT scoring- because that model is now a HS choice, not a a Troop choice. Only the unit, as a unit, is scoring. As soon as a model leaves the unit, its no longer part of it.... and so its no longer capable of being scoring unless the new unit its attached to is. Since Long Fangs are never scoring, nor are swiftclaws or scouts, only a Wolf Gaurd attached to a Grey Hunter or Bloodclaw unit is ever scoring when not part of its origional pack. And then, its only scoring in its origional pack when its in the same list as Grimnar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2195667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Hengist Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 So what your saying is, that when i have logan. i pick some wg and put them into long fangs. they become heavy support, but they stay scoring?thanks antique_nova Is this a poor attempt at trolling old boy? Because when I read Greymages reply it was pretty clear to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2195671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
antique_nova Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 deleted my me.. i got my brain in gear i think. now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2195673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 another question. However, what if i take a squad of four WG, then i place one with the Long Fangs and leave the three WG members as a unit on their own. Does the member that moved to the LF go to heavy support while the rest of his squad stays troops and scoring?Trolling? no my brain is still sluggish in the morning. >< lol thanks antique_nova Yes... the three strong unit of Wolf Gaurd is scoring, while the Long Fangs AND the attached WG is not, as they are a HS unit. Edit: Ill assume were done here for now, I have work in four hours- night all. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2195677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperDave Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 It may also be worth mentioning that you can't join WG to Skyclaws. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2195906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 A good point missed by a few methinks :huh: It may also be worth mentioning that you can't join WG to Skyclaws. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2195930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
antique_nova Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 give me a break Xd i am sluggish today :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2195983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marek Grimfang Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Look at WGPL as "Equipment" upgrades to your squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2196017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnars Claw Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Sorry if this sounds stupid. So if you buy a wolf guard and attach him to a grey hunter pack, all the grey hunter pack get shot out around him does he still count as a scoring 'unit' in the same way a normal space marine veteran sergeant would or does he revert back to being an elite choice? Disregarding any special character influence that is. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2196093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
antique_nova Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 wha? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2196096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Sorry if this sounds stupid. So if you buy a wolf guard and attach him to a grey hunter pack, all the grey hunter pack get shot out around him does he still count as a scoring 'unit' in the same way a normal space marine veteran sergeant would or does he revert back to being an elite choice? Disregarding any special character influence that is. Yes, he would be scoring. He becomes part of the pack he is moved to, so if he's attached to a troop's choice he's still a troops choice if he's the only one left. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2196102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnars Claw Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Cool cheers JamesI <_< Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2196116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forté Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Sorry if this sounds stupid. So if you buy a wolf guard and attach him to a grey hunter pack, all the grey hunter pack get shot out around him does he still count as a scoring 'unit' in the same way a normal space marine veteran sergeant would or does he revert back to being an elite choice? Disregarding any special character influence that is. Yes, he would be scoring. He becomes part of the pack he is moved to, so if he's attached to a troop's choice he's still a troops choice if he's the only one left. Sorry but I believe your wrong. Your loan wolf guard becomes a last man standing for that unit. He doesn't suddenly revert to being a wolf guard unit. That is lost as soon as he splits off. This just seems to be am attempt to find a loop hole so stop being a long beard and fight like a wolf! If your opponents dead then they can't hold objectives! Sorry if this sounds stupid. So if you buy a wolf guard and attach him to a grey hunter pack, all the grey hunter pack get shot out around him does he still count as a scoring 'unit' in the same way a normal space marine veteran sergeant would or does he revert back to being an elite choice? Disregarding any special character influence that is. Yes, he would be scoring. He becomes part of the pack he is moved to, so if he's attached to a troop's choice he's still a troops choice if he's the only one left. Sorry but I believe your wrong. Your loan wolf guard becomes a last man standing for that unit. He doesn't suddenly revert to being a wolf guard unit. That is lost as soon as he splits off. This just seems to be am attempt to find a loop hole so stop being a long beard and fight like a wolf! If your opponents dead then they can't hold objectives! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2196120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesI Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Who said he reverted to being a wolf guard unit. Once he becomes part of the Grey Hunters/Blood Claw unit, he becomes a scoring model. And I don't even play Space wolves. Its to my advantage if I'm wrong as it becomes easier to stop Wolves from scoring. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2196124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnars Claw Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Forte aren't you saying exactly the same thing as JamesI just a different way of saying it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2196132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WG Vrox Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 yep, same answer said in a different way. And yet another way to look at it! During list creating think of adding a WG as if you were adding one more GH to a GH squad. This is also why WG are allowed to BEL with scouts. Vrox Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2196171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Hallbjorn Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 hmm Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2196455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 yep, same answer said in a different way. And yet another way to look at it! During list creating think of adding a WG as if you were adding one more GH to a GH squad. This is also why WG are allowed to BEL with scouts. Vrox Just remember that he is still purchased and equiped as a seperate unit, so doesnt count towards the GHs 2 special weapons and Does count towards the 5 WG needed for a heavy weapon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2196599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 doesnt count toward the 5 wolf guard limit? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2196615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freman Bloodglaive Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Does count. He's part of the Wolf Guard unit until he's split off to join the other unit. Hence if you have ten Wolf Guard and split off two (say on bikes to join bike packs) you can have two heavy weapons despite having ostensibly eight models in the squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2196631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglespuss Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Yeah thats what i thought, phew, I'm not going mad! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/185658-do-wolf-guard-that-join-skyclaw-or-long-fang-become-fahs/#findComment-2196678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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