JusticarDanny Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 My buddy and I have an ongoing debate wether Kantors inspiring presence grants an extra shot aside from close combat attacks. The codex does not specify and our local GW store say that he does. Can anybody please clear this for us. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdeptusDavidus Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 The line in question says that units within twelve inches of Kantor "recieve +1 Attack". The capitalization in particular, but also the fact that it's rendered as "+1" rather than "an additional" or something similar, suggest to me that it refers to "Attacks" as in the "Attacks" Characteristic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 It is very clear. + 1 Attacks. Only in cc is Attacks ever used. Shooting is always referred to as Shots. BBB pg 27 Type: Refers to shooting as shots. Your local GW store is wrong. Tell them so but in a respectful and honouring way. Just because they have a Red Shirt doesn't make them infallible, they are only humans, just like us. A Red Shirt does not make their opinion right either, as in to say, just because they think it so does not make it so. Happy gaming ;) Sorry if you were the CF player getting the extra cream.... :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingo Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 It would make no sense to have extra shots. Just because Kantor is there won't make guns fire faster. As has been said, the rule clearly states '+1 Attack', referring to the attacks characteristic, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatEscape_13 Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 What the others said. Tho perhaps some insight into the confusion? All of Pedro's other elements tend to be more "shooty" in nature (the sternguard, having the orbital strike, his special weapon, etc.), so I could see someone saying "this is a shooting character, so every rule must apply to shooting." That is incorrect, but I can see the reasoning process. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Like Lysanders Bolster defences and bolter drill.... yet you may care to notice he has no gun.... Shooty rules doesn't make them a shooty character.... The weapon charactics denote how many shots they get, the attacks charactic denotes how many CC attacks a model gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighLord74 Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Kantor is my favortie IC, and i've used him in every list i've made since the 5ed-Dex came out, and I play a "Gun-Line" army heavy in sterguard.....but alas, like everyone here has stated, Good'Ole Pedro does not give every marine within 12" an extra bolter nor turn their bolters into sub-machine guns......it would be awsome (but broken) if he did...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeattleDV8 Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 Another way to look at it, Cap't Shrike has 3 Attacks. Does this mean he gets to shoot his bolt pistol 3 times? of course not, you follow the profile for the weapon. There are some exceptions but these are clearly laid out in the codex. Pedro only Inspires in CC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 There are some exceptions but these are clearly laid out in the codex. We all love daka tyrants dont we. 12 str 5 attacks, reroll to hit, reroll to wound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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