noobigaunt Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 I'm thinking about starting a bike themed army, probably small at first (1000-1250). Space Marine Bike squads lack a good CC punch besides powerfists (no pun intended), 2 attacks on the charge unless I'm misreading something. One option is, since bikes are troops, that I could take assault squads and keep the theme of a fast army. Or I had the idea of a Commander with command squad. If I'm right, the squad alone could pump out 20 attacks on a charge (2 base attacks, +1 charging, +1 for two weapons), 16 of which are power weapon. With Khan they would also have Furious Charge and Hit & Run, and throw in a chaplain for re-rolls, making for a very mean unit in my opinion. So the actual question is: Do bikers get +1 attack for a second close combat weapon (power weapon and bolt pistol)? I thought there was a rule that they couldn't because they have to steer or something, but I couldn't find any reason why they can't in the codex or rulebook. Sorry if this has been answered before, I couldn't find an answer through searching. Thanks for any input. -noobigaunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkKnightCuron Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 I haven't seen any rule like that, but as far as I know, they should still get the +1A for having a pistol and close combat weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 The Command squad has 2 A, and they can take bikes. pg 132. Bike squadrons have 1 A, beside the Sergeant. pg 140. Bikers DO get +1A for two weapons & another +1A for charging. They've just got Mad Skeeyulz, yo. ;) *Read BBB pg 53. for bikes assaulting people in cover, to make sure you don't get surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkKnightCuron Posted November 27, 2009 Share Posted November 27, 2009 They've just got Mad Skeeyulz, yo. ;) I always wondered how they could wield twin-lightning claws and still ride those things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noobigaunt Posted November 27, 2009 Author Share Posted November 27, 2009 Thanks for the quick answers, and glad to hear I wasn't missing anything. Can't wait to give this unit a try. -noobigaunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty the Pyro Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 They've just got Mad Skeeyulz, yo. :tu: I always wondered how they could wield twin-lightning claws and still ride those things... Knees "Look Ma, No hands." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rymeer Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 5th edition rules: you can have up to 8 bikers + attack bike in EACH squadron of bikes. (10 marines) so, to my thinking, an all biker army, excepting assault squads, would be pretty fast. Since the bikes give them a toughness of 5, they should hang around a bit longer than tactical marines as well. Commanders and their command squads may have bikes as well. (not including Khan's rules) Another fasts option is to add Land Speeder Tornados (gotta love the assault cannon goodness) Enough from me, Rymeer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Askari Posted November 28, 2009 Share Posted November 28, 2009 Drop pod ironclads compliment biker armies well. Charge and tie them up with the bikers them move the dread in to support the combat later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noobigaunt Posted November 28, 2009 Author Share Posted November 28, 2009 Thanks for the tips. I discovered the source of my confusion. In the older CSM codex, under the chaos biker entry it says "they may not use an additional close combat weapon due to the need to control the bike." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thade Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 One option is, since bikes are troops, that I could take assault squads and keep the theme of a fast army. Keep in mind that a bike unit is only a troop unit if your commander/captain is on a bike himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wilhelm Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 Thanks for the tips.I discovered the source of my confusion. In the older CSM codex, under the chaos biker entry it says "they may not use an additional close combat weapon due to the need to control the bike." See brother, consorting with Daemons can only lead to deception. "Drive them back into the warp!" ~ GK from DoW I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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