Werewolf3339 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 So my big question is: If I have Ragnar in a squad and they they charged and get off counterattack, does the unit get d3 bonus attacks instead of the normal 1 and furious charge? Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186015-rules-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I cannot remeber off hand what it says in rule book but... If it says: pass leadership test to get couter-attack, which means you count as charging, then it would be D3 attacks... but if it says to get a bonus attack 'as if' charging then you would not (this would also come into play with furious charge.....) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186015-rules-question/#findComment-2199645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 It seems to be yes, because the Blood Claw description specifically states they only get one attack for counter attack, so you would expect to have a similar thing in Ragnar's rule description. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186015-rules-question/#findComment-2199648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunderpup Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 The actual Counter attack rule states; "If the test is successful all models in the unit get the +1 assault bonus to thier attacks, exactly as if they too had assaulted that turn." -BRB Beserk charge also specifically denies the second bonus attack for counter attacks. Insane Bravado does not. <shrugs> Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186015-rules-question/#findComment-2199649 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hfran Morkai Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 The actual Counter attack rule states; "If the test is successful all models in the unit get the +1 assault bonus to thier attacks, exactly as if they too had assaulted that turn." -BRB Fair do's seems pretty clear then. I haven't read that rule for ages... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186015-rules-question/#findComment-2199652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodgers37 Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 I have my own rules query.... If i take a Wolf Priest (or Lord for that matter) with Saga of the Hunter, can he outflank with a squad? It doesn't specify, i was just wondering if that was one of the rules that gets conferred to the squad :S Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186015-rules-question/#findComment-2199656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinkenheim Posted November 29, 2009 Share Posted November 29, 2009 with regards to ragnar, iirc there was a thread about this a few weeks back. no definitive answer was reached so the general consensus was the squad don't get the bonus back ragnar would. it seemed a fair compromise until it got faq'd becasue he may be quick enough to react but the chances are he wouldn't be able to warn his squad in time for them to react in such a furious manner. re; saga of the hunter, if the squad has scout then yes. he doesn't grant a unit the rule if he joins it. so no outflanking wolf guard or bloodclaws... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186015-rules-question/#findComment-2199737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 to the OP: no he and his unit get just one attack. in order for BC or Ragnar to get their bonus attacks they must launch the assault not counter-assault. for the saga question stinkenheim has it right. just read the rules for ICs Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186015-rules-question/#findComment-2199762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 ANd see Im on the other side of the fence- if he counter attacks its just like he has assaulted that turn... and thus, gets +1d3 attacks. Simple, straight forward, and just like the Old bloodclaw ruling. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186015-rules-question/#findComment-2199843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 the only reason i say they don't is because of how counter-attack is worded. in order to calm the bonus is to pass the leadership test, and ragnar's rule only mention launching assaults. as ragnar and his unit would be the assaulted not the assaulters they are there for not assaulting and don't get the bonus. I am sure this will be something that gets FAQed, when ever that comes out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186015-rules-question/#findComment-2199861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 the only reason i say they don't is because of how counter-attack is worded. in order to calm the bonus is to pass the leadership test, and ragnar's rule only mention launching assaults. as ragnar and his unit would be the assaulted not the assaulters they are there for not assaulting and don't get the bonus. I am sure this will be something that gets FAQed, when ever that comes out. And when old-style bloodclaws counterattacked they didnt actually assault, but they still got the +2 bonus. Ragnar gains bonus attacks "as if they too had assaulted". When Ragnar assaults, he gains +d3 attacks, as does his squad. Thus.... with a leadership test they all gain +d3 attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186015-rules-question/#findComment-2199864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 once i posted to this i knew this would happen, it is one of the main reason i try to not post to things like this. i simply am stating my opinion on how i feel it is worded. that is it. i understand the way the old blood claws were worded, just see my sig. though i feel the the wording in the current codex of "launching an assault" (from "when they charge" in the last codex) was used to try and avoid it from being used that way. my opinion that is it take it, and just trying to make it clearer. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186015-rules-question/#findComment-2199873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werewolf3339 Posted November 30, 2009 Author Share Posted November 30, 2009 I always assumed that a unit got its special rules for assaulting when using counter-attack, since the wording inthe rulebook states that they get the +1 bonus for attacking =exactly as if they had assaulted this turn=. Therefore the +1 would become D3 and Furious Charge would still come into effect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186015-rules-question/#findComment-2199970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 once i posted to this i knew this would happen, it is one of the main reason i try to not post to things like this. i simply am stating my opinion on how i feel it is worded. that is it. i understand the way the old blood claws were worded, just see my sig. though i feel the the wording in the current codex of "launching an assault" (from "when they charge" in the last codex) was used to try and avoid it from being used that way. my opinion that is it take it, and just trying to make it clearer. Fair enough, and I can respect that. I dont use Ragnar so its not a huge thing for me anyways :). Hopefully this one is covered in the FAQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186015-rules-question/#findComment-2200004 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ullr Direfang Posted November 30, 2009 Share Posted November 30, 2009 Hopefully this one is covered in the FAQ. agreed, along with a ton of other things. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/186015-rules-question/#findComment-2200513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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