12 companies of the SW

[Verseau]

ok when i read this this thread,

 

i wondering what is the SW chapter organisation like ???

is the wolves companies also have the all blood claw company ???

or all grey hunter company ??? or all terminator company ???

 

is the SW company have to consist of 10 squads ???

and 1 squad consist of 10 marine ???

how is the distribution of the new blood claw ???

 

and lastly, just say a marine already in bran redmaw's company,

and he dont like his lord / comrades, can he move to erik morkai's company ???

 

how many wolf guards every wolf lord could have ???

 

i put below the ultramarines chapter organisation i take from codex space marine page 17,

 

1st company:

97 Space Marine Veterans

 

2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th company:

6 Tactical Squads

2 Assault Squads

2 Devastator Squads

 

6th, 7th company:

10 Tactical Squads

 

8th company:

10 Assault Squads

 

9th company:

2 Devastator Squads

 

10th company:

all scouts

 

Thx

[Grey Mage]

ok when i read this this thread,

 

i wondering what is the SW chapter organisation like ???

is the wolves companies also have the all blood claw company ???

or all grey hunter company ??? or all terminator company ???

 

is the SW company have to consist of 10 squads ???

and 1 squad consist of 10 marine ???

how is the distribution of the new blood claw ???

 

and lastly, just say a marine already in bran redmaw's company,

and he dont like his lord / comrades, can he move to erik morkai's company ???

 

how many wolf guards every wolf lord could have ???

You seem confused... there is no all bloodclaw company, or all terminator company.

 

All of the companies have ALL of the troop types in the codex. That means EACH Great Company has Grey Hunters, Bloodclaws, Wolf Gaurd, Wolf Scouts, and Long Fangs. How many of each squad depends on how many are dead, and how many have gained skills to advance in rank.

 

Nothing is set- its all up to you and what you want. Each Wolf Lords Great Company is a little different, with its own eccentricies.

 

As for that last part.... its incredibly unlikely he would be allowed to switch companies, or that he would want to. Ive never heard of that one happening, but it is possible. Just unlikely.

[Nadir]

The whole chapter is made by 12 smaller ones (Great Companys).

Each consist of young Blood Claws and core of the army - Grey Hunters.

In each Great Company there are about 30 Wolf Guards. Priests are only present in Logan's company, and are borrowed to the others when they need them.

 

I don't think is easy to move to the other company. Blood Claws units are like brothers or wolf pack. They fight together and feast together. When they "grow up" a little, became Grey Hunters. Even when the unit is scattered and only a few man left, they could form a Long Fang unit of only a few troops (single Space Wolf could be a lone wolf as well). So I thnik, that bounds between SW are so strong that it is nearly impossible to change the Company they are belong to.

 

New recruit is chosen by wolf lord by himself, and for sure Wolf Priests have something to it.

 

According to codex - each Company has got about 30 of Wolf Guards (3 slots of Elite, 10 man pack each), and Logan Grimnar has got almost 1000 of them (if he could take whole army of guards).

[Night Runner]

ok when i read this this thread,

 

i wondering what is the SW chapter organisation like ???

is the wolves companies also have the all blood claw company ???

or all grey hunter company ??? or all terminator company ???

 

is the SW company have to consist of 10 squads ???

and 1 squad consist of 10 marine ???

how is the distribution of the new blood claw ???

 

and lastly, just say a marine already in bran redmaw's company,

and he dont like his lord / comrades, can he move to erik morkai's company ???

 

how many wolf guards every wolf lord could have ???

You seem confused... there is no all bloodclaw company, or all terminator company.

 

All of the companies have ALL of the troop types in the codex. That means EACH Great Company has Grey Hunters, Bloodclaws, Wolf Gaurd, Wolf Scouts, and Long Fangs. How many of each squad depends on how many are dead, and how many have gained skills to advance in rank.

 

Nothing is set- its all up to you and what you want. Each Wolf Lords Great Company is a little different, with its own eccentricies.

 

As for that last part.... its incredibly unlikely he would be allowed to switch companies, or that he would want to. Ive never heard of that one happening, but it is possible. Just unlikely.

 

Personally, I see a SW switching companies as inconceivable. It would be a terrible stain on a SW honour, besides breaking the bonds of kinship between pack members. Big taboo IMO. But it is fiction so I guess it could happen.

[Grey Mage]

like I said- incredibly unlikely. But its been a long ten millenia.

[Stormbrow II]

Isn't there something mentioned in the dex about one of the Wolf Lord's brother's being a Rune Priest and leaving his original company to give advice to Grimnar?

 

There's precedent but it's not something that would happen often.

[Ullr Direfang]

Isn't there something mentioned in the dex about one of the Wolf Lord's brother's being a Rune Priest and leaving his original company to give advice to Grimnar?

 

There's precedent but it's not something that would happen often.

 

well the rune priest brother, don't have the codex on hand right now, would actually be leaving the GW company to join his brothers, and would probably be called back to logna's if he ever needed him.

[Spacefrisian]

SW chapter is more like.

 

Logan Grimnar

Highest ranking Runepriests

Highest ranking Wolfpriests

Iron Priests

Bjorn and his palls

SW scouts

Wolfguard

 

Than each companie has different numbers of:

Wolfguard + Wolfguard Battleleaders

Greyhunters

Bloodclaws

Longfangs

 

Just as its lord sees fitting.

 

Than their are the+/- 20 Wolfblade stationed on Terra (yes they are still part of the Chapter)

 

And the last the 13th is the same as the other 2 to 12 but all of them can be considered Wolfguard with various degrees of Wulfkin transformations.

 

That pretty much sums it up, if i'am not mistaken.

[DV8]

The only time a Space Wolf would leave his Great Company is if he becomes an Wolf Priest, Rune Priest, or Iron Priest. These select individuals are always members of the Great Wolf's Company (at present Logan Grimnar) and are assigned out as needed to the various Great Companies of the chapter.

 

In all other instances, each Great Company is in essence, a self-sufficient chapter, complete with it's own fleet, armory, etc. It simply isn't as big as a normal chapter.

 

Than their are the+/- 20 Wolfblade stationed on Terra (yes they are still part of the Chapter)

 

24 Wolf Blades, to be exact, to match the 24 Navigators gifted to the Space Wolves Chapter.

 

 

DV8

[Spacefrisian]

Thats why i put the +/- in their sometimes their are less than 20.

[nurglespuss]

I suppose another way, would be if the space wolf, having performed a 'heroic' act (e.g. saving a wolflords life, that wasn't his own) could result in that space being 'promoted' to that wolflords wolf-guard. I could see this happening between 'friendly' great companies (not rivals), the space wolf, wouldn't essentially be leaving but out on 'honour loan' until the wolflord can pay him back?

 

Just thinking outside the box :P

[Heimdal]

SW chapter is more like.

 

Logan Grimnar

Highest ranking Runepriests

Highest ranking Wolfpriests

Iron Priests

Bjorn and his palls

SW scouts

Wolfguard

 

Than each companie has different numbers of:

Rune/ Wolfpriests

Wolfguard + Wolfguard Battleleaders

Greyhunters

Bloodclaws

Longfangs

 

No no no.

 

All priests are part of the Great Wolfs household, and also contain everything as the other companies have (GC, BC, LF , etc)

Every GC have a group of scouts

[Verseau]

Isn't there something mentioned in the dex about one of the Wolf Lord's brother's being a Rune Priest and leaving his original company to give advice to Grimnar?

 

There's precedent but it's not something that would happen often.

 

ok i found it, codex:sw page 16

 

"If the other Wolf Lords still knew fear, they would fear Erik Morkai. Named after the Deathwolf ...

... Erik usually solves the problems that come his way with swift and bloody acts of violence -

he was elected because of his terrifyingly effective methods rather than his personality.

His more stable twin, Irnist the Wise, left Erik's side to serve as Rune Priest to the Great Wolf;

an act for which Erik has never truly forgiven him."

 

maybe it means Irnist prefer to become a Rune Priest than to be a Wolf Guard on Erik's side ???

[Night Runner]

Isn't there something mentioned in the dex about one of the Wolf Lord's brother's being a Rune Priest and leaving his original company to give advice to Grimnar?

 

There's precedent but it's not something that would happen often.

 

ok i found it, codex:sw page 16

 

"If the other Wolf Lords still knew fear, they would fear Erik Morkai. Named after the Deathwolf ...

... Erik usually solves the problems that come his way with swift and bloody acts of violence -

he was elected because of his terrifyingly effective methods rather than his personality.

His more stable twin, Irnist the Wise, left Erik's side to serve as Rune Priest to the Great Wolf;

an act for which Erik has never truly forgiven him."

 

maybe it means Irnist prefer to become a Rune Priest than to be a Wolf Guard on Erik's side ???

 

That is more probably the case. As DV8 has pointed out all Priests leave their company to be part of the Great Wolfs Company (actually it's more like his council of advisors). It is the way things are done, tradition if you prefer. In the case of Erik Morkai it was something he took personally, and not something that you don't do or is taboo (like leaving your company to join another).

[Spacefrisian]

Edited the composition of the companies.

[Max_Dammit]

Some one can leave his company and it has happened a lot of times, if a whole company is destroyed they take a WG out of one of the company's and make a new one, and he doesnt have to start a all BC company, so there will be some moving about at these dark events

[Quillen]

NO! NO! NO! It's in the fluff. Read the books.

 

A Lord is chosen by the wolf gaurd left. He then does the bidding of the great wolf. As his name grows in power he gets more followers. And more glory. The more successful the more other packs want to run with him. So a pack could ask a wolf lord they are with is they could leave. He would allow it or denie the request.

 

If a wolf lord is making mistakes and loosing battle after battle his company will grow smaller and smaller and will disband leaving him. The the Great Wolf picks who the new wolf lord will be and they found anew.

 

And some Wolf Lords leave the Fang for ever. The the Great Wolf has to once again step in and start a Great Company.

 

Ragnar in the novels wanted to join another Wolf Lord but was taken by what's his name. So he served under him till he messed up in a good way. Then his blood claw pack was disbanded and he was sent to the Navigator house as an honour gaurd. His buddy went somewhere else. So then he became close to the Honour guard, but remembers his pack mates fondly.

 

A Great Company grows or dies on the talents of it's leader. Logan and Ragnar have massive Great Companies. They succeded. Those that grow old and fail melt away and die.

[Night Runner]

@ Max_Dammit : What you say does make logical sense, but I was refering to Space Wolves who turn their backs on their battle-brothers and join another Great Company, thus shedding the ties of kinship that bind the pack. I've heard of SM being banished from their companies, even if they are not traitors (Read ' Dead Sky, Black Sun', there is also a Wolf Brother marine), but I have never encountered such a case of 'Great Company switching' in any of the fluff. If there is let me know, I'd like to go over it.

 

@ Quillen : I have never heard any of this nor read any of this in the fluff. SW are an independent lot, but Space Wolf packs are not so autonomous as to decide in which Great Company they will fight in. Which books or novels are you refering to? Frankly, and I mean no disrespect, but I find what you wrote rather silly. But if you can point me to a source then I'll bow in respect and eat everything I wrote. :P

[Spacefrisian]

Yes Ragnar wanted in another company but was put in Bereks. He messed up because of the Spear incident but redeemed himself later on and got back in Bereks companie. And later became its Lord. (Ragnars story in a Nutshell "small nutshell")

[DV8]

NO! NO! NO! It's in the fluff. Read the books.

 

I have never read, from any of the Space Wolf novels, nor the latest Codices (3rd + 5th) on any of this fluff to which you refer.

 

If a Wolf Lord of a Great Company dies, the Wolf Guard vote amongst themselves as to who the new Wolf Lord should be. Only in certain cases where a majority cannot be reached, or there are no Wolf Guard left (re: they all died with their Wolf Lord), then I could see the Great Wolf gathering with the other Wolf Lords to decide who should take control of the leaderless Great Company, either selecting an experienced veteran from within, or selecting one of their own Wolf Guard.

 

Ragnar in the novels wanted to join another Wolf Lord but was taken by what's his name. So he served under him till he messed up in a good way. Then his blood claw pack was disbanded and he was sent to the Navigator house as an honour gaurd. His buddy went somewhere else. So then he became close to the Honour guard, but remembers his pack mates fondly.

 

Ragnar was not sent to Terra to be an honor guard. He was exiled to Terra to become Wolf Blade. That the Wolf Blade serve as honor guard to House Belisarius does not mean that was the reason Ragnar was sent there for.

 

And Ragnar's Blood Claw pack was never disbanded. A few of them were slain, yes, but not to the point where disbanding would even be considered. That Ragnar was pulled out of his pack and exiled is not precedence that the rest of the pack was disbanded in a similar manner.

 

A Great Company grows or dies on the talents of it's leader. Logan and Ragnar have massive Great Companies. They succeded. Those that grow old and fail melt away and die.

 

Indirectly yes. A Wolf Lord who fails at leading his Great Company (re: blunders, mistakes, etc.) will invariably suffer heavy casualties amongst his men, thus smaller Great Company. A clever/smart Wolf Lord will not, thus less casualties and larger Great Company.

 

While it is not entirely canon or in the fluff, my interpretation or understanding of how aspirants are selected and to which Great Companies they join:

 

All Priests are members of the Great Wolf's Great Company, but are assigned to the various other Great Companies (basically "on loan" until the Great Wolf decides to reorganize/pull a switcharoo). Potential aspirants are selected, tested, and initially trained/mentored by the Wolf Priests. Wolf Priests will consequently recruit for whichever Great Company they are assigned to.

 

An example of this is Wolf Priest Ranek, who selected Ragnar, along with a variety of other Fenrisians who would eventually form part of Ragnar's Blood Claw pack. Ranek, who has been assigned/detached to Wolf Lord Berek Thunderfist's Great Company, thus recruits Ragnar, Sven and the lot of them and that Blood Claw pack is now a part of Berek's Great Company.

 

 

DV8

[Night Runner]

Yes Ragnar wanted in another company but was put in Bereks. He messed up because of the Spear incident but redeemed himself later on and got back in Bereks companie. And later became its Lord. (Ragnars story in a Nutshell "small nutshell")

 

Yes that's true, but it was a case of Ragnar being punished and sentennced, and not him deciding for whatever reason to pack up and join the Wolfblades. It's also true that he wished to join another company, but that doesn't necessarily mean he would have or that it would have been allowed. Correct me if I'm wrong Spacefrisian but he wanted to join another company because he was looked down on by his peers for loosing the Spear of Russ, IIRC.

[Raulmichile]

To me the recruiting process is as follows:

 

All (or nearly all) aspirants are recurited by the Wolf Priests. The Wolf Priests test and train the aspirtants until they are deemed worthy to become a Space Wolf and then form a sort of "pool" from which men are sent to replenish casualties/boast numbers as per request form a Wolf Lord or as the Wolf Priest(s) (maybe the Great Wolf also?) deem necessary.

 

To me it has nothing to do weather a Wolf Priest is assigned to one company or another. Sure, one of their roles is recruiting and testing of aspirants; but they also take care of ALL and any Space Wolf under his charge, not only the ones recrutited by him and assigned to any given great company.

[Verseau]

All Priests are members of the Great Wolf's Great Company, but are assigned to the various other Great Companies (basically "on loan" until the Great Wolf decides to reorganize/pull a switcharoo). Potential aspirants are selected, tested, and initially trained/mentored by the Wolf Priests. Wolf Priests will consequently recruit for whichever Great Company they are assigned to.

 

An example of this is Wolf Priest Ranek, who selected Ragnar, along with a variety of other Fenrisians who would eventually form part of Ragnar's Blood Claw pack. Ranek, who has been assigned/detached to Wolf Lord Berek Thunderfist's Great Company, thus recruits Ragnar, Sven and the lot of them and that Blood Claw pack is now a part of Berek's Great Company.

DV8

 

I think i agree more to the DV8 than Raulmichile,

i only read Codex: SW 5th, and SW omnibus novel,

but as i understand it, it works like DV8 said.

Ranek assigned in Berek Company, thus blood claw he produce goes to Berek Company.

 

maybe someone can quote the official "blood claw assigned to" ?

so we can clear this up

 

thx

 

To me the recruiting process is as follows:

 

All (or nearly all) aspirants are recurited by the Wolf Priests. The Wolf Priests test and train the aspirtants until they are deemed worthy to become a Space Wolf and then form a sort of "pool" from which men are sent to replenish casualties/boast numbers as per request form a Wolf Lord or as the Wolf Priest(s) (maybe the Great Wolf also?) deem necessary.

 

To me it has nothing to do weather a Wolf Priest is assigned to one company or another. Sure, one of their roles is recruiting and testing of aspirants; but they also take care of ALL and any Space Wolf under his charge, not only the ones recrutited by him and assigned to any given great company.

[Verseau]

NO! NO! NO! It's in the fluff. Read the books.

 

A Lord is chosen by the wolf gaurd left. He then does the bidding of the great wolf. As his name grows in power he gets more followers. And more glory. The more successful the more other packs want to run with him. So a pack could ask a wolf lord they are with is they could leave. He would allow it or denie the request.

 

If a wolf lord is making mistakes and loosing battle after battle his company will grow smaller and smaller and will disband leaving him. The the Great Wolf picks who the new wolf lord will be and they found anew.

 

And some Wolf Lords leave the Fang for ever. The the Great Wolf has to once again step in and start a Great Company.

 

Ragnar in the novels wanted to join another Wolf Lord but was taken by what's his name. So he served under him till he messed up in a good way. Then his blood claw pack was disbanded and he was sent to the Navigator house as an honour gaurd. His buddy went somewhere else. So then he became close to the Honour guard, but remembers his pack mates fondly.

 

A Great Company grows or dies on the talents of it's leader. Logan and Ragnar have massive Great Companies. They succeded. Those that grow old and fail melt away and die.

 

yeah i think it will be nice if the blood claw can choose which wolf lord they serve,

and once the wolf lord lose too many battles, with some procedure the BC, GH, LF, or WG,

then can choose to move to serve to other wolf lord,

AND

once the wolf lord won too many battles, with some procedure the other wolf lord's BC, GH, LF, or WG,

then can choose to move to serve this successful wolf lord,

 

but i dont think it works that way

[Vash113]

A Lord is chosen by the wolf gaurd left. He then does the bidding of the great wolf. As his name grows in power he gets more followers. And more glory. The more successful the more other packs want to run with him. So a pack could ask a wolf lord they are with is they could leave. He would allow it or denie the request.

 

Is that actually stated? Because I remember no such thing.

 

Yes a Great Company lives or dies with it's Lord, but that doesn't mean Packs can swap around willy nilly. On the cotnrary a more popular Wolf Lord will have Blood Claws clamoring to join his Company and will likely consequently have a bigger Great Company, able to replenish losses faster. A less popular Wolf Lord will be hard pressed to keep up a stable number of recruits and thus the size of his Company will wane as Combat Cassualties take their tole. There's no transferring from one Company to another however, at least none that I've ever seen.

 

The only Space Wolf mentioned moving from Company to Company is Lukas and that's because he gets repeatedly booted by various Wolf Lords. It's not a voluntary action.