Ancient Terra

[Razhbad]

As for recognising Earth it would be very difficult to do. After all if you all looked down on this planet from orbit and had no water for reference and no green features either all you would see is one huge dirty rock. Now add millions of cities that would be piled around the planet makes it even harder to recognise. Chances are the former continents would be the most inhabited as most cities from the 21st Centuary would just expand into bigger ones in the 41st Millenium.

[Rider-75]

from prospero burns, i'm quite impressed they found "all 3 of Shakespire's plays" - lol!!

 

just goes to show what they think they know, and have really actually lost.

 

still to have them after 30K years is impressive. much like the van gogh and da vinci paintings in malacdor's suite.

[Blackwyvern]

I wonder what Australia would be called? :D :D

[Blood Angel Scout]

Couple of points for here, don't have the book to hand at the moment to give my point a better explaination but can remember "The Last Church" in particular as having a description of Europe,

 

Location of the "Last Church" could be Skye in my opinion, due to the description of the terrrain and think there is a line about the island being conected to the mainland by a bridge could be the Hebrides without actually naming it.

 

Plus other circumstancial points are the author (McNeil) is Scottish and may have been on the island and had the inspiration by an actual church built on the island as well as the staunch adherence of the island's religious convictions (Sabbath is still considered THE day of rest, even against ferry service operating as contracted by EU law) while also in reference to the drinks of red wine and then Aqua Vitae, Latin for whisky and the subsequent tasting/drinking method to savour the flavour

 

Also, the priest/minister talks about travelling south to Franc and other parts of Europe before the battle against the Thunder Legion(?) or whatever the Emp's marine prototypes were called, in which he believe he saw his God.

 

Furthermore, Albia: Albion or Alba (Scotland itself), War memorial could be Admirality Arch in London

[Rider-75]

Aqua Vitae is latin, Uisge Beatha is gaelic :lol:

[Blood Angel Scout]

Aqua Vitae is latin, Uisge Beatha is gaelic ;)

 

My bad,

 

(And the annoying thing is I actually knew that ;) and was coming back to edit it :) )

 

Still though, do you agree about my other points with regards the Last Church?

 

Cheers

[Rider-75]

my thought was it to be based on the monastery Iona.

[Pulse]

Furthermore, Albia: Albion or Alba (Scotland itself), War memorial could be Admirality Arch in London

Lets get this right shall we?

 

The Greeks named what is now the British Isles; Albionon.

 

That gave rise to the word Albion, which again means the British Isles - the same meaning as the orginal Greek.

 

The world Albion was the origin for the Scottish word Alba, meaning Scotland.

[Blood Angel Scout]

Thanks for that Pulse, backs up my thinking on how in a few thousand years this could in fact be Scotland as I hold the conception that if apocalypic warfare hit the U.K, the Western Isles would be where people would have the greater chance of survival due to location and lack of any significant military objectives to target. In this regard, if life were to then continue/adapt/rebuild then the culture of the islanders would become the standard for the time

 

However, what is your opinion in reference to the context of my posts intention i.e. the location of the Last Church or the possibility of Admirality Arch being the War memorial previously mentioned in the thread?

 

To give extra thought to why I think these are in the UK is due to it is where GW are based, obvious I know, but also where the majority of the authors who write/written about the heresy reside therefore probably influenced by our surroundings which, in many parts of the UK, contain structures dating back at least 1500 years which, I believe, would play an impact on their imagination in order to visualise/create/describe their interpretation of Terra by including iconic structures such as the Seven Wonders, castles, cathedrals etc

 

Imp Palace at least the whole of the Himilayas(sp?) and probably right across the Alps to the Pacific coast. Also, I can sort of remember reading somewhere that Inquistion have Antarctica as a base-possible Rogue Trader series? but not 100% sure on this

[AGPO]

I wonder what Australia would be called? ^_^ ;)

 

They don't need it. They have prison worlds at that point. One thing is for sure though, they probably still haven't regained the Ashes :D

[Kitchen Knife]

In "Legion" we have on one of the first pages a quote from "Shakespire", one from "Herodotus" and an antique proverb regarding the hydra which seems to come from the twelve labours of Heracles (but I could be wrong on the last one :) )

[Aqui]

I wonder what Australia would be called? :) :P

 

Four Ecks ;)

[Space_Moron]

Europa = Europe

Yndonesic = Indonesia

[by_any_other_names]

The Dome of the Rock (Arabic: مسجد قبة الصخرة‎, translit.: Masjid Qubbat As-Sakhrah, Hebrew: כיפת הסלע‎, translit.: Kipat Hasela) is an Islamic shrine which houses the Foundation Stone, the holiest spot in Judaism, and is a major landmark located on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. It was completed in 691, making it the oldest extant Islamic building in the world.[1] Its significance stems from the religious beliefs regarding the rock at its heart.

 

(only Muslems may go to this holy site currentlly) Some think it was the rock that Abraham made his pact with God on. The first alter and the last alter so to speak.

 

The stone over which the Muslim shrine, The Dome of the Rock, was built, is the holiest site in Judaism. Jews have traditionally regarded the location of the stone as the holiest spot on Earth, the site of the Holy of Holies during the Temple Period. In former times, some Jewish scholars thought that the location of the Holy of Holies was not known for certain. Today this is a minority opinion

 

http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/Dome_of_the_Rock

 

 

 

 

Also the library at alexandria was not myth as OP suggested

[Brother Captain Gladius]

When reading the Albia thing, I instantly thought england, and the arched war memorial is surely the marble arch in hyde park, modeled on the one in paris which is a war memorial!

[Pulse]

Also the library at alexandria was not myth as OP suggested

Indeed, it is no myth, it was real. :devil:

[Anvilarium]

I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned that in Prospero Burns Kasper Hawser mentioned the city of L'Undone.

 

I wonder where that could be?.... ;)

[Razhbad]

I'm surprised that no-one has mentioned that in Prospero Burns Kasper Hawser mentioned the city of L'Undone.

 

I wonder where that could be?.... ;)

 

Its in Manchester next place please

[Pulse]

Its in Manchester next place please

*slap* ;)

[malika666]

Bania is mentioned in "Age of Darkness". We can but guess where that might be, for some reason I keep thinking of Albania...

[Rider-75]

the council of Nikaea bears a more than cursory resembalance to the Council of Nicaea in 325AD. (Nicaea is now Iznik in Turkey)

 

During this the debate was about the teachings of Arius. These were deemed "heretical and dangerous to the salvation of souls."

It's thought of as being the first time the church took action to define it's doctrines in response to a challenge from a "heretical theology."

 

sound familiar?

[Kinstryfe]

First post after longtime lurking, but thought this was worth adding.

 

A couple times in A Thousand Sons, references are made to real world places and literature. I apologize for not having the book on me this moment, but Ahriman states his family was nobility in what translates to the current middle-east, I think it was Iran. Aside from references to several occult sources in Ahriman`s library he also argues using, I believe, the bible at Nikea for continued use of sorcery as well as referencing an occult text about the "Golem of Ingolstadt" at one point, which is a reference to Shelly's Frankenstein.

Some of these were fairly enlightening, and others simply leant some irony to the story, as the seekers of knowledge were referencing anti-sorcery texts to support sorcery and fictional works as fact. I was highly amused at that notion.

[Ufthak]

Welcome to the Forum :)

 

Ahriman DEFINITELY comes from Persia/Iran. His very name, Ahriman, comes from Farsi (Persian), as well as that of his brother, Ohrmuzd. Ironically, "Ohrmuzd" is a variant of ancient Persian "Ahura Mazda". In Zoroastrianism, an old Persian-based religion/philosophy nowadays slowly dying out, "Ahura Mazda" embodies the ultimate Good, the ultimate Truth - the Positive Force in life. Its negative twin, its counterpart is "Ahriman", which translates as "Ghost", "Spirit" and "Destroyer".

 

Ohrmuzd, the good twin, dies, while Ahriman, the "destroyer", survives and ultimately becomes an unwilling, unwitting servant of Tzeentch.

[esinhorn]

You are indeed correct the last church is on Skye,this was confirmed by g himself

Check out black library vid 6 or 7 when he is doing q&a

[RamrodMC]

the council of Nikaea bears a more than cursory resembalance to the Council of Nicaea in 325AD. (Nicaea is now Iznik in Turkey)

 

During this the debate was about the teachings of Arius. These were deemed "heretical and dangerous to the salvation of souls."

It's thought of as being the first time the church took action to define it's doctrines in response to a challenge from a "heretical theology."

 

sound familiar?

 

Just in case you're suggesting Nikaea is Nicaea, in 40k Nikaea is a planet (chances are, though, that you are fully aware of this). The parallels in the discussion itself, though, are indisputable.