Ancient Terra

[Valtonis]

6. the remembracer with a name similar to Eisenstein (?)

 

 

Thats a reference to Sergei Eisenstein, the soviet film director.

 

he is not just another film director, he is the person who invented "the montage" technique.

[Helikaon]

1. Albia (Albania? Or possibly Italy, a reference to the ancient kingdom of Alba Longa?)

 

 

I'd say Albia is Britain. Another name for Britain is Albion (I believe it was the name used by the Roman's back in the day).

[Pulse]

I'd say Albia is Britain. Another name for Britain is Albion (I believe it was the name used by the Roman's back in the day).

I already covered all that on the last page.

[snorkle]

There's also Gotthold Eisenstein so it's possible he is being referenced as he was a mathemtician, a profession that has more to do with spacetravel in my mind than a director.

[Azurine]

In my humble opinion Nathaniel Garro being that he is associated with Albia on Terra is not Irish, British or even Italian. 'Albia' is also an area of northern Spain often associated with the Basques. Garro is a fairly common Basque name in those parts meaning 'place of the flame' or 'of stone' depending on who you ask.

[Syagrius]

There's also Gotthold Eisenstein so it's possible he is being referenced as he was a mathemtician, a profession that has more to do with spacetravel in my mind than a director.

 

It's possible it refers to him, but given that the Eisenstein in question is referred to as a remembrancer, my personal opinion is that it's more likely it refers to the director/filmaker. Particularly when you think about how some of the films he made, Battleship Potemkin, for example, portray historical events in the way the Soviet Union wanted them to be portrayed, much like the remembrancers of the Great Crusade do for the Imperium.

[facmanpob]

There's also Gotthold Eisenstein so it's possible he is being referenced as he was a mathemtician, a profession that has more to do with spacetravel in my mind than a director.

 

It's possible it refers to him, but given that the Eisenstein in question is referred to as a remembrancer, my personal opinion is that it's more likely it refers to the director/filmaker. Particularly when you think about how some of the films he made, Battleship Potemkin, for example, portray historical events in the way the Soviet Union wanted them to be portrayed, much like the remembrancers of the Great Crusade do for the Imperium.

iirc the reference to Eisenstein says that the ship is named after 2 famous people in history, a remembrancer and a .... (can't remember the exact word used but I'm sure it was scientist or some Warhammery way of saying scientist!).

 

I always took that to mean Sergei Eisenstein director of such classics as Battleship Potemkin and Alexandr Nevsky, and a corruption of Albert Einstein, arguably the most famous scientist ever in the history of the world ever. ;)

 

[EDIT] Alexander Nevsky is interesting from a 40k perspective, as it celebrates the triumph of the common people against tyrrany and Catholicism, while playing down the importance of the Russian Orthodox Church. This is entirely consistent with the Stalinist dogma regarding Germany in the late 1930s, but also reflects the teachings of the Imperial Truth. this also reflects in Einstein's belief in a Spinoza's God, which he commented on in 1929, is which god is a philosophical and abstract consruct, shown in the laws and harmony governing the universe. So from that point I think the use of the name Eisenstein is a great choice in the 40k milieu.

[Ufthak]

Good research, facmanpob!!! :lol:

[Pulse]

Agree! :lol:

[facmanpob]

:thanks: although rereading my post I really should learn how to spellcheck! :)

[RamrodMC]

Reading Nemesis right now, just noticed that near the beginning, as one of the characters is flying over the "Atalantic Plain" (the dried up bed of the Atlantic Ocean), the transport passes a feature called the "Ayzor Ridge", which strikes me as a pretty clear reference to the Azores.

[Rider-75]

spot on with that one i'd say.

[Xo'baloc the Thrice Cursed]

Theres a reference to Tasmania in A Thousand Sons

 

 

"Zagaya" said Ahriman, and the Sekhmet formed a staggered arrowhead, with him at its point. Other Legions knew this formation as the speartip, and though Ahriman appreciated the robust, forceful nature of the term, he perfered the ancient name taught to him by the Emperor on Terra at the island fortress of Diemenslandt.Van Diemen's Land

[Ufthak]

Yep, that's definitely Tasmania!

 

Anyone know what "Zagaya" could mean?

[haldir]

In A Thousand Sons, an "ancient crumbling text" called "shiji" was mentioned by some remembrancers, "a record of the ancient emperors of a vanished culture of Terra", "a meticulous record of a grand historian that glorified the ruling emperor while vilifying the previous dynasty"

 

Actually "shiji" is the work of an ancient Chinese historian whose name was Sima Qian (you can google this name). I'm pretty sure there is a link here, any Chinese reader would be able to see it at first glance, which I am :P

[Pulse]

Another to add to the record! :P

[Evz]

I believe in the Space Wolf novel when Ragnar goes to Terra, he stumbles upon an ancient subway tunnel? Correct me if I am wrong.

[Brother Immolator]

From prospero burns:Boeotia - An area of Terra mentioned in Imperial records as holding out against full Unification for some considerable time; while tacitly recognising the Emperor's dominance, the ruling monarchy of Boeotia used all manner of diplomacy in order to avoid losing power. In a show of great patience and benevolence, the Emperor allowed the ruling family of Boeotia - the Yeselti - to carry on like this for over 150 years, with the intention that they would integrate themselves into unified Imperial Terra at their own speed and with as much dignity as possible. Instead, the Yeselti clung onto their independence to the point where, firstly, the Imperial Army was forced to invade the province and finally, Legiones Astartes of the Thousand Sons were assigned to quash the trucculent little state. Boeotia was notable both for the presence of industry and at least one buried shrine to gods worshipped by humans in an earlier age.

 

Boetia is currently the area adjacent to Athens central Greece.

[Jordan-096]

Has anyone considered that in some more recent fluff ( which i cant remember :P ), the Imperial Palace actually covers most of the northern hemisphere.

 

Antarctica is home to the Inquisitions Headquarters, and at the time of the Horus Heresy, i believe, is still ice covered

 

has anyone wondered why the Earth was devastated by war, or why the Panpacific Wastes were uninhabited during Unification?

 

 

(hint: :lol:)

[DIDM]

pretty sure The Emperor comes in 2012, so we will get to live in the Unification Era!

[Heru2012]

Kebira is not Cairo, Kebira in Gyptus is Kebira in Egypt.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kebira_Crater

 

Everest is not the TALLEST mountain, it is however, the HIGHEST, (before the Emperor got uppity and punch the top off...well bulldozed)

 

When the Thousand Sons ask Hawser his name, when he resplies Kasper Hawser, the TS looks at him with a "really?" notion, because his name is a reference to Kaspar Hauser.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaspar_Hauser

 

Oh god...even just realised what he changed his name to.... Ahmad Ibn Rustah...."He wrote of tenth-century city of the Rus'"

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Rustah

 

I've always believed the Emperors palace was the Himalayas, with the astronomican choir in australia, when I worked at GW HQ it was more of an in-joke that the golden throne was the directors office in HQ, never a serious canon fact, something that may have chinese whispered down to stores>regulars>forums>general gamer knowledge.

 

Hehehe just a bit to throw out there as pure speculation, but there was a British judge/barrister/solicitor called William Garrow that was the first person to implement the saying "Innocent until proven guilty" and was quoted as saying to a witness before a case that "you know a particular fact and wish to conceal it – I'll get it out of you!".....very inquisition to me ;)

[Legio Draconis]

the council of Nikaea bears a more than cursory resembalance to the Council of Nicaea in 325AD. (Nicaea is now Iznik in Turkey)

 

During this the debate was about the teachings of Arius. These were deemed "heretical and dangerous to the salvation of souls."

It's thought of as being the first time the church took action to define it's doctrines in response to a challenge from a "heretical theology."

 

sound familiar?

 

 

Beat me to it. I know that in the fluff Nikaea is a planet but there are too many parallels with the original council of Nicaea.

[frostclaw222]

Lutetia = Paris.

[malika666]

Where did you get that idea from? Not that I don't believe you, just curious about the story behind it.

 

Oh, and in what source is Lutetia mentioned?

[Pulse]

Where did you get that idea from? Not that I don't believe you, just curious about the story behind it.

 

Oh, and in what source is Lutetia mentioned?

 

Suprised you didn't know but it was a founded before the Romans invaded Gaul and then expanded by the Romans - tis modern day Paris.

 

Lutetia